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Collapsed Miami bridge was put in place WITHOUT the central tower and suspension cables [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | March 16, 2018 | Ariel Zilber

Posted on 03/16/2018 12:25:26 PM PDT by C19fan

Engineering experts say investigators looking into the collapsed ‘instant’ bridge in Miami will want to know why a central tower which is usually built to support a suspension bridge was not in place when it collapsed onto Tamiami Trail on Thursday afternoon.

Last week, Florida International University’s official Twitter account posted a rendering of the bridge in its completed form as envisioned by the planners before its opening to foot traffic in early 2019.

The rendering shows a tall central column with cables connecting it to the main span.

Engineers say the design is known as a ‘cable-stayed bridge,’ which is a kind of suspension bridge, according to USA Today.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bridges; engineering; epicfail; fiu; fiubridge; instantbridge
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To: editor-surveyor
All of the “light weight concrete” I’ve worked with used expanded aggregate, which has little compressive strength.

It was reported in the media on Thursday that the concrete was light weight. The concrete mixes I've worked with were made high strength by increasing the cement content. These mixes usually have smaller size aggregate for precast units to be post-tensioned. But honestly, I'm not experienced in the mix design, although I have heard of high strength, light weight concrete. What I've read indicates that with certain admixture, and plasticizers, cylinders can yield a 365 day strength of over 9,000 psi, but 28 day strength is lower than 1,000. I don't really know what state of the art is. I repeat, that Florida is not known for having high quality local aggregate.

221 posted on 03/16/2018 3:52:24 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: All

MCM Construction Management is Miami based and operates across the country as well as in Florida. They are ranked 235th in Engineering New-Records’ list of the largest 400 contractors by annual revenue in 2017. That is certainly large enough for a bridge contract of this size.


222 posted on 03/16/2018 3:52:48 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: HangnJudge

Top photo of bridge makes a lot of sense to this non-engineer and is more appealing to the eye.


223 posted on 03/16/2018 3:52:54 PM PDT by 353FMG
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MCM projects:

http://www.mcm-us.com/browse-all-projects/all


224 posted on 03/16/2018 3:55:27 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Bet they put in another traffic light instead, a traffic loop or a bypass.....for millions less.

Nah, the government solution would be to build a light rail line that requires subsidies to cover the fares. Eminent domain, here we come!!!!

225 posted on 03/16/2018 3:56:37 PM PDT by Bernard (The only Fair Tax is the Tax that Taxes You and not Me)
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To: Alberta's Child; All
Yes AC, you're 'dwarfing' characterization was spot on > 950 tons vs ~131 tons (max).

Disclaimer: this is merely a retired carpenter's guesstimate re the maximum total mass of pedestrians on that bridge at a given time.

Gleaned from a couple different sources that the ped span was 175 ft long x 40 ft wide.

Assume an area occupied by the average pedestrian at 2ft x 2ft (4 ft^2), and an average mass of each ped at 150 lbs.

+ 175  bridge length (ft)
*   40   bridge width (ft)
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+ 7,000  bridge area ft^2
/   4.00   avg area ft^2 each ped
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+ 1,750  max # peds @ 4 ft^2 each
*   150   avg mass per ped (lbs)
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+262,500   total max ped mass (lbs)

226 posted on 03/16/2018 3:56:44 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: BlueLancer

There are cables that run in sleeves through the concrete.


227 posted on 03/16/2018 4:22:23 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: editor-surveyor

OK, Money is usually the answer to a management trying to get ahead by skipping obvious safety precautions, but in this case I suspect that they will determine that laws were also broken by this lamebrained move to leave traffic on the highway.

When the Highway Patrol needs to remove debris from the road way, they often completely stop traffic.

It is not enough to say it costs too much to stop traffic for a while, they could easily have told the city that this was their (the city’s) responsibility. The city would have to manage without the roadway for a few days, and the cost to the project management should not be affected.

The risk of a collapse was probably considered very low, but was highest during the first few hours when testing and re-tensioning the stress cables. The severity of a collapse was not too severe if traffic was restricted from using the roadway, but with cars under the structure the severity was astronomical. This was not a hard call for a reasoning manager to make.


228 posted on 03/16/2018 4:28:29 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Trump, one good idea after the other.)
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To: C19fan

This entire episode is positively third world.


229 posted on 03/16/2018 4:32:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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230 posted on 03/16/2018 4:36:11 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: Mr. K
The bridge was funded with $11.4 million from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Transportation Investments Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER) program. The TIGER program has come under repeated fire for awarding money based on politics rather than merit.
231 posted on 03/16/2018 4:46:03 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
But this bridge used the “innovative Accelerated Bridge Construction” method developed at the university. Who knows what they were capable of thinking.

Surely the department head was a licensed PE! Saw an article where he had a lot to do with the design. See a lot of messy lawsuits coming.

232 posted on 03/16/2018 4:47:04 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: BlueLancer

I noticed that as well. Didn’t look like much rebar and a lot of crumbled (not broken) concrete.


233 posted on 03/16/2018 4:50:43 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: ZOOKER
Watched a documentary about suspension bridge construction not long ago.

This one might be of interest then.

How the tallest bridge in the world was built.

234 posted on 03/16/2018 4:56:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (There will be division, as long as there is money to be divided.)
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To: C19fan

Maybe it was built and constructed by illegals and Mexicans who can’t read and understand English very well (like in LA area). (Or am I being “racist”)


235 posted on 03/16/2018 4:59:28 PM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: JoeRed
There are workers on the top of the bridge standing right where the failure occurs.

How much you want to bet that they went up there to see the crack that had formed when they moved it?

236 posted on 03/16/2018 5:02:04 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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237 posted on 03/16/2018 5:02:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (There will be division, as long as there is money to be divided.)
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To: C19fan

... the role of failure in successful design.

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To: editor-surveyor

I don’t know if you have read enough to know it was built 90 degree to the highway on two multi-wheeled supports that appeared to be a quarter the way from the ends. That would make for a balanced/even load when built and moved. Sitting on the ends would be a completely different load on the tension cables.

The article states they were adjusting them. If they got one or more to tight and one broke, could that cause what happened? BVB


240 posted on 03/16/2018 5:30:11 PM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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