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Opinion: Trump wants to reframe the census to fit his definition of America, not protect Americans
NBC "News" ^ | March 29, 2018 | by Michelle Chen

Posted on 03/30/2018 6:18:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The purpose of an accurate census count is to help the government understand the people for whom it is responsible — full stop. A fully inclusive census is vital for informing policy-making, whether determining how many roadways are required for a region’s population, monitoring local public health trends or ensuring our tax dollars are fairly allocated to school districts.

Trump’s move to add a citizenship question to the census follows months of intense opposition across Washington and civil society. Asking about citizenship status (a question that federal authorities have deliberately left off the census since 1950) risks alienating many prospective respondents and depressing the count of our population. Despite seemingly neutral wording, under an administration that is notoriously hostile to immigrants, the question shades the otherwise banal census form with a chilling tone of “papers, please.”

Querying about citizenship would at best make the census process more chaotic and less effective; at worst, it risks validating and codifying citizenship status as threshold of social legitimacy for a growing immigrant population.

By attempting to reframe the census to fit his definition of America, Trump is stealthily molding a new political reality: A nation matching Trump’s vision of “great again” seems increasingly divided by race and borders, and less democratic for native- and foreign-born alike.

Nonetheless, the real America pushes beyond the borders of the White House’s cherry-picked Republic. The rising public resistance to the impending policy and brewing court battles show that, regardless of how they are reflected in the official survey, people will continue to voice their uncompromising demands for representation and equality before the law. Whether we exist on paper or not, we all have a right to stand and be counted.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2020census; census; illegalaliens; progressives; republic
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Michelle Chen is a contributing writer at The Nation, a contributing editor at Dissent and a co-producer of the “Belabored” podcast and Asia Pacific Forum on WBAI FM.

1 posted on 03/30/2018 6:18:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dear Moron

The primary purpose of the Census is to determine poltical representation. WHY, unless you are deliberately trying to foster fraud, would you count anyone BUT Citizens?


2 posted on 03/30/2018 6:19:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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To: MNJohnnie

Or, if you are going to count everybody (a reasonable reading of the constitution) then separating out non-Citizens (like Bill Clinton did also) is essential to maintain electoral integrity. The only reason not to determine citizenship in the census is so they can count illegals as citizens.


3 posted on 03/30/2018 6:22:07 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: MNJohnnie

Yet another foreign invader trying to usurp our sovereignty.


4 posted on 03/30/2018 6:22:23 AM PDT by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ms. Chen:

The government stopped asking for legal immigrants to count in the 1950’s, but a LOT has changed since then.

California is badly out of synch with the rest of the country. There are MILLIONS of illegals now in California.

This is badly needed. Thanks for your opinion, but now please go away.

Thanks.


5 posted on 03/30/2018 6:23:17 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Papers please” is so last century — and is always brought up by the people who want you “chipped.”


6 posted on 03/30/2018 6:23:50 AM PDT by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Is that Camera Hoggs mom?


7 posted on 03/30/2018 6:25:21 AM PDT by shelterguy (Bigdeal)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The census is to determine Representation in the House. Asking about citizenship will help in apportioning Government services to CITIZENS WHO ARE PAYING TAXES. I do not believe the Constitution says that we have to pay for people who broke the Law while coming into the USA. And hard working Americans are FED UP with paying for those who just want to sponge off those hard working Americans.


8 posted on 03/30/2018 6:25:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Trump wants to reframe the census to fit his definition of America, not protect Americans”

Because Michelle Chen’s revisionist, counter-intuitive definition of “American” is the manifest, unquestionable Truth, and the vernacular, traditional, popular definition is Falsehood. I wonder if she believes her own drivel.


9 posted on 03/30/2018 6:25:54 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I will point this out...if you take the number of non-Americans in the country at 22-million (often suggested), and figure that three-quarters of this group are in California, NY, and Florida (my humble guess), then the question weighs greatly upon the 2024 Presidential election and the Electoral College.

You can figure lesser populations counted, and the three states combined would lose at least nine Electoral votes, and those nine votes likely shift to red states (mostly southern states).

This would also reshape a significant number of states and the district-drawing scheme, and put the Supreme Court into a full-time job of trying to figure ‘fair’ district drawings, or not.


10 posted on 03/30/2018 6:27:26 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The United States of America belongs to the citizens.

Citizens of other countries who broke into ours do not belong here.


11 posted on 03/30/2018 6:27:27 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’ve always wondered how illegal aliens had as much political power as they have. Now I know. I never thought about the allocation of congressional seats in their relation to the number of illegals counted in the census.


12 posted on 03/30/2018 6:27:50 AM PDT by suthener
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What a Moroon. States with high levels of non-citizens then “steal” representation from the other state with low levels of non-citizens. Totally unfair.


13 posted on 03/30/2018 6:28:17 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

pablum


14 posted on 03/30/2018 6:28:51 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sorry Michelle #2 - Barack Obama is the one who actually did reframe “the census to fit his definition of America, not protect Americans”.

The citizenship question was on the census form until it was eliminated by Barack on the 2010 census form.

Obama and the democrats did not want Americans to know the magnitude of the foreign invasion of America that was underway.

President Trump is trying to repair the widespread damage Obama has done to the nation.

A part of that includes restoring the census inquiry regarding citizenship.


15 posted on 03/30/2018 6:29:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
... "The purpose of an accurate census count is to help the government understand the people for whom it is responsible" ...

Excuse me?

16 posted on 03/30/2018 6:30:27 AM PDT by tinyowl (A is A)
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To: MNJohnnie

Perhaps an amendment to only count people legally eligible to vote would make more sense?

After all, these are the people who have direct representation.

We can depend on them to vote in ways that support them, their dependents, and neighbors who do not have the franchise, can’t we? No two year-old has direct representation now, if you count them to determine voter representation how does that work, exactly?


17 posted on 03/30/2018 6:30:50 AM PDT by null and void ("We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?" ~ Joseph Stalin)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

She needs to go back. She’s not interested in being an American.


18 posted on 03/30/2018 6:30:53 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Support Alt-Tech: Gab.ai, Infogalactic.com, Brave browser, ProtonMail)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Apparently each and every human being on earth is born with the right to vote in US elections.

I guess that comes from being the "universal nation."

19 posted on 03/30/2018 6:33:07 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vegam Yehudah tillachem biYrushalayim . . . .)
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To: shelterguy
Is that Camera Hogg's mom?

I think she's an insectiod/mantid...

20 posted on 03/30/2018 6:34:42 AM PDT by null and void ("We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?" ~ Joseph Stalin)
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