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Army mulls tougher basic training for out-of-shape, undisciplined recruits
FoxNews.com ^ | Andrew O'Reilly

Posted on 03/30/2018 6:26:09 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Citing a disturbing trend of new soldiers lacking both proper discipline and physical fitness, senior U.S. Army leaders are calling for a tougher and longer basic training program to prepare troops for combat over the next decade.

“We have every reason to get this right, and far fewer reasons not to,” Secretary of the Army Mark Esper said at the Association of the United States Army's Global Force Symposium in Alabama on Monday. “That’s why we are considering several initiatives — from a new physical fitness regime to reforming and extending basic training — in order to ensure our young men and women are prepared for the rigors of high-intensity combat.”

While Esper didn’t divulge any details of what an extended Basic Combat Training (BCT) might look like, the Army has already floated the idea of adding two weeks to its 10-week program. A redesigned BCT is expected to be implemented by early summer.

The current BCT involves a three-stage process, the first of which is the “Red Phase.” Comprising the first three weeks of training, it's where recruits begin to learn drills and ceremonies, the seven “Army Core Values, unarmed combat and first aid. Recruits are also introduced to standard-issue weapons like the M-16 assault rifle and M-4 carbine.

In Phase 2, known as the “White Phase,” soldiers begin target practice with their rifles, and become acquainted with other weapons like grenade launchers and machine guns. The recruits also complete a timed obstacle course and learn to work alongside other soldiers.

The final phase, or “Blue Phase,” sees the soldiers complete the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), learn nighttime combat operations and go on 10- and 15-kilometer field marches.

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To: polymuser

That’s a must read/see article and video. Needs its own thread.


41 posted on 03/30/2018 8:05:08 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Churchill: Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts.)
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To: huldah1776

But I think it would be great if there was a program to introduce young men to the culture of the military. If there could be military history courses along with the PT it would be great.


42 posted on 03/30/2018 8:07:09 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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To: Skybird

Good luck...maybe the Army can send them a text message to put down the smartphone for a minute to listen to the drill sergeant.

Whose gonna text the drill sergeant?


43 posted on 03/30/2018 8:16:07 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Yo-Yo
I went through Air Force Basic Training in 1977....

I did AF Basic (good old Lackland) in 1981, and then stayed on base for another four months for the first phase of Tech School. May into October. Hot and humid.

The food there was some of the best I had in the AF.....or maybe I was just hungry all the time. I gained 45 pounds at Lackland.

44 posted on 03/30/2018 8:33:08 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: RoosterRedux

For myself, I was in worse shape after basic, then before I went in. I was in pretty good shape beforehand. Could definitely do more pushups, but everything else - running, pullups, situps was worse. The majority of the guys were worse to start.


45 posted on 03/30/2018 8:34:26 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Bigg Red
Why not have a program that mirrors military training? Get them in shape before they even get to boot camp.

There is nothing in the Constitution which authorizes federal spending on education. But federal spending for enhancing the Militia IS something the Constitution would allow.

Eliminate all Dept of Education grants to states and localities. Eliminate the Dept of Education. Replace it with a program which rewards schools (including home schoolers) with a cash grant for every graduate who is able to pass military entrance requirements (regardless of whether the student actually enlists, just that the student WOULD be able to pass entrance requirements).

46 posted on 03/30/2018 8:41:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625
For physical fitness standards, perhaps there should be a “pre-induction” test which prospective recruits need to pass, given on weekends at a local army base.

If you don’t pass, you go home to get into shape at the gym on your own time, and then try again.

When I joined the Marine Corps in 1973 there was a fat boy platoon. You could join the Marine Corps if you were over regulation weight, but you started out in the fat boy platoon and you stayed there until you were deemed fit. Only then did you start basic training with a regular platoon. The fat boy platoon exercised all day long. It probably didn't take those boys long to get their weight down!

47 posted on 03/30/2018 8:42:30 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: rivercat

Women are given “gender-normed” (easier) passage through naval aviation. It has not been a success (Hultgren, Dolenz).


48 posted on 03/30/2018 8:44:34 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: PapaBear3625

I like it.


49 posted on 03/30/2018 8:51:58 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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To: PapaBear3625

There used to be. Back when I went through Basic, when you were in reception before you went to your training Battery, you took a modified PT test. If you couldn’t meet minimum standards, you went to the PT platoon until you could meet them.


50 posted on 03/30/2018 9:09:09 AM PDT by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: Howie66

LOL..yep I remember that too.....95% of today’s snowflakes wouldn’t last one day


51 posted on 03/30/2018 9:33:04 AM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: Bigg Red
Why not have a program that mirrors military training? Get them in shape before they even get to boot camp.

The Marines do this now...through their high school commitment program.
A friend's son graduates from high school this summer and has already enlisted and has been doing all kinds of weekend physical training and team building exercises. The kid loves it and is already in great shape.

52 posted on 03/30/2018 9:42:13 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Never fear the cow)
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To: Cuttnhorse

Well, that sounds wonderful. Please extend to that young man my thanks for his commitment to serve.


53 posted on 03/30/2018 9:48:46 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Francis is a Nincompope.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Good!

Long past time to increase the standards to what they were 25+ years ago (before the stress cards, etc).

But just a month or so ago it was said that they were doing away with land nav and hand grenades as a requirement to graduate from basic..... But then I see why:

https://youtu.be/thqyZAWNoNY

“Uh Drill Sergeant, I think I dropped my grenade over there.”

(Face palm)


54 posted on 03/30/2018 10:03:07 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: TADSLOS

55 posted on 03/30/2018 10:04:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TADSLOS

Two guys who are sorely missed.


56 posted on 03/30/2018 10:05:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RoosterRedux
When I was in basic I always enjoyed the PT and looked forward to the day of the obstacle course but I ended up in the dispensary that day due to strep throat.

I hated all the classroom stuff and would ultimately have to stand up at the back of the classroom or fall asleep at the table which would have resulted in my death.......

We only received minimal training with the M14 and M16 and that was disappointing. Since infantry was never my MOS, I never touched a firearm again.......

57 posted on 03/30/2018 10:13:12 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: circlecity
And don’t let Pyle eat that jelly doughnut.




58 posted on 03/30/2018 10:14:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Comedy genius.


59 posted on 03/30/2018 10:47:17 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Alex Jones isnÂ’t quite the wing nut now, all things considered.)
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To: PapaBear3625

They do that the first day at the Repo Depot (Reception Bn.).

IIRC they have you do 25 push-ups to be sent to basic. If you can’t make it they send you to the FTU (Fitness Training Unit) for 30 days. They give you two chances at the FTU to pass and if you can’t you’re gone.

Buddy of mine was a Drill Sergeant who spent time whipping slackers into shape at the FTU.


60 posted on 03/30/2018 11:03:02 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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