Posted on 04/17/2018 8:35:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
BS. After 9/11 most thought it was a good idea to destroy Saddam, who had a working relationship with Al Qaeda, and try to create a Western-friendly democracy.
And yet, Iraq today is denuded of Catholics and Christians, who would have been the warp and woof of a western friendly nation.
The Christian Genocide in Iraq is the fruit of Bush’s warmongering in Iraq.
And we are told to judge them by their fruits.
Oh, and Colin Powell’s UN song and dance about WMDs was sketchy back in the day, and remains sketchy today. One unverified photo of an airplane where supposedly Al Queda trained. Boy were we dumb. I think he even disavowed, around the time he admitted to being in some weird secret Globalist men’s club.
The war in Iraq was a mistake but that doesn't mean Bush's intentions weren't right. He was wrong but there was no conspiracy involved in this actions.
I've been here since 2000 and I have almost 75,000 posts to my name. And I'm one of the few of us who survived the post-2003 purge and self-exiles here at FreeRepublic among skeptics who predicted that the Iraq invasion would be a disaster.
Just a random thread I came across:
It's easy for me to remember where I stood on this because I've been consistent about it for years -- dating back to the FIRST Gulf War in 1990. I severed any and all connections with the Republican Party after that disgrace. It will be a cold day in hell before I'll support any elected official who puts Americans in harm's way to restore one Islamic royal family in Kuwait and protect another one in Saudi Arabia.
Here I am ... still sitting on my high horse.
"Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world. And if you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have, the west. Part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim. Fought over for eight years. In the north, you've got the Kurds. And if the Kurds spin loose and join with Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. *** It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq. *** The other thing is casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact that we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had, but for the 146 Americans killed in action and for the families it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad and took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein was, how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? And our judgment was not very many, and I think we got it right."
In case you're wondering, that was former U.S. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, explaining in a 1994 interview on C-SPAN why it would have been catastrophic for the U.S. to invade Iraq.
Nothing changed between 1994 and 2003 except Dick Cheney's title. It was still a bad idea in 2003, and I can't wait for the day when principled Americans like me can piss on that crooked globalist's grave.
You just ran out of logic.
Syria is a deep state wet dream. Given what I have seen with the transition of political power while we attempt to fight wars, is that war is a pointless and expensive exercise. As the whims of the American people shift, all the investment of a previous admin can be completely invalidated, or at least partially invalidated.
So why do it? We have a large enough landmass to accomplish anything we need. As AI spins up we won’t need 3rd world manufacturing capacity, we will have infinite capacity here, and we surely win the resource race, if we carefully manage them, using the market, not government.
We should sell Israel any weapon they desire, and get our soldiers back home.
I really believe the quagmires we are in prove the founding father’s assertions that a standing army is a total disaster. The military is abused at every turn by the current politcal winds, we are stuck in gobs of treaties that we would never be able to call in marks on if we needed their support. And really what that boils too, is foreign entanglements. We should trade, and only trade, with the world. Outside of that narrow interaction, we should isolate. Or we will continue to be further broke at light speed, entangled in all sorts of things we have no interest in as a people, and spending money we don’t have.
Right now I am not convinced anything in the news is true. Even here in FReepland. All I see is endless projection of power, and nothing gained for USA. Some will say, “more stable world”, but no, the world is getting worse. Wait to we lay Syria to waste, the world will go nuts.
So no, we should isolate, and let the world taste our AI powered manufacturing might. Let them deal with their own problems, we don’t need them.
And yes, I think we should sell every weapon to every country. Just make sure we can defend ourselves from them (we keep the top end stuff for ourselves).
But alas, this is a pipe dream of mine, instead, I see my stepson and now daughter probably fighting stupid wars that gain my country absolutely nothing, except bragging rights about how many Americans died, and how heart broke our people were after. Yes, our soldiers will fight and die honorably, but that in and of itself is not a honorable REASON to die.
Now someone will ask what about WW2? Yes, it played to our advantage. It put our electronics industry into high gear, weapons development to the forefront, and gave us space technology. But my guess is that info tech would have done the same thing with or without a war. Once you have info tech, you can build any weapon you want.
But what external advantage did it give us? Lots of nations that we have to defend, that we probably don’t like. Islamic terrorism, which randomly kills loved ones, luckily in small numbers, but that is the point. Where is my advantage other than 69$ tablets at Walmart? We are on the cusp of doing the same thing without a single human in the production chain, which will obsolete third world labor.
So again, what does wiping Syria off the face of the earth accomplish?
Guard our borders, screw the world. If my son and/or daughter die defending this nation’s true borders (not our projected borders), I will feel better than if they die in the M.E. for no comprehensible advantage.
We just train the hell out of our soldiers and make sure they can stop the stuff that comes in our borders meant to harm us. To repel invasions, to protect American people. Somewhere along the line, corporate interest became the interests of the United States of America, and it currently leading us to ruin.
But its all a pipe dream, we will continue to folow the path we are on to dissolution. I would guess either the deep state is aware of this and don’t care, or just too stupid to realize it.
Final note: again, I am not besmmirching the honor of our soldiers. I am besmirching the honor of the morons that make our soldiers do stuff that has nothing to do with protecting the American people, but instead projecting power, which is essentially a penis length demo contest among nations.
And if Trump fits into the moron category, so be it. I know Hillary was already there. Not like I can do a damned thing about it anyway. This place will be my home until they take our right to bear arms, then see-ya, wouldn’t want to be-ya, as then the distinct disadvantages of having to have my children die at the whims of morons will greatly outweigh any other good left.
“After 9/11 the nation didn’t think so. After ISIS committed multiple terrorist against Americans, the nation didn’t think so.”
I know “the nation” didn’t think so. The US Nation is so accustomed to being driven and led by EMOTION that it would not recognize a reasoned and realistic approach.
Yes, there terrorist hot spots that should be eradicated. And we need to remain vigilant at home.
But it’s not an existential threat.
RE: We just train the hell out of our soldiers and make sure they can stop the stuff that comes in our borders meant to harm us.
The one question we then have to ask is this -— Does “borders” only mean geographical borders? Or do we nip WMD’s in the bud before terrorists have the chance to use them against us?
North Korea is not within our “borders”, but if they manage to perfect their ICBM’s, should we not bomb them?
Same question applies to Iran.
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