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Deadly Convenience: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll
NY Times ^ | 13 May 2018 | David Jeans and Majlie De Puy Kamp

Posted on 05/13/2018 8:55:26 AM PDT by oh8eleven

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To: null and void

No. Rotating outdoor antenna.


201 posted on 05/13/2018 4:50:54 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: oh8eleven

Oh, I agree with that! I hate the new air conditioning controls. Just give me on/off and fan/heat/air conditioning. I can figure out the temp I want without having to set it to some specific number.

Also, the touch screen in our Forester is awful. I’m always hitting something I don’t mean to hit, and the navigation system is always trying to take me some place I don’t want to go.


202 posted on 05/13/2018 5:01:14 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Garbage in, garbage out ...


203 posted on 05/13/2018 5:09:07 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: TexasGator

Not a problem for me. For most of the almost 29 years we’ve been in our house the wife has either half-filled or filled most of the double garage with all matter of clutter and junk. Something she wasn’t able to do over the years of living in base housing.

Now, we’ve been married for over 45 years and this is a small matter not to be able to park both cars in the garage. It is not worth the time it takes to plead the case once again if it is one of the only small things on which she has her way.

Over the years you learn when to snap to, salute, and march forward sharply.


204 posted on 05/13/2018 5:15:57 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Patriotic1
So no problems with CO 'false alarms' due to sensitivity?

Yes, there is a potential for a false alarm to go off but there are a few workarounds for that. One thing you definitely don’t want to do is idle the car for more than a second after the car is in the garage but that’s only common sense. If winds are the right way, there is still a possibility it could go off but the odds are small. When leaving, I always make sure to get the car backed up right away after it is started. One other thing that is important to do is make sure you place the alarm in a location which is not subject to immediate impact from the car exhaust. This typically means mounting it near the door into the house so that if there ever was an alarm, it can be investigated right away. That location naturally is on the opposite side of an exhaust pipe.

I’m a bit nuts about carbon monoxide as I nearly lost a brother to it. One thing I always do is carry my own portable CO detector wherever I travel….. it’s seems that every year there is a report somewhere that a pool heater in a hotel malfunctioned. Years ago I found this unit and what I liked about it, it gives a readout in ppm and is so small that it fits on a keychain. https://www.amazon.com/Pocket-CO-72-9021-Monoxide-Detector/dp/B001G0STBK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526256908&sr=8-3&keywords=Pocket+CO In fact, I liked it so much I’ve bought one for all my family members and for my employees and also given away some as prizes. I have no connection to the company but I do highly recommend that travellers have something like this when they travel. If you do any flying in small planes, a small unit like this is a must./p>

205 posted on 05/13/2018 5:24:38 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: RJS1950

I can guess whose car is NOT parked inside.


206 posted on 05/13/2018 5:27:14 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: hecticskeptic

Let FR do the html.


207 posted on 05/13/2018 5:30:43 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: hecticskeptic

I’m a bit nuts about carbon monoxide as I nearly lost a brother to it. One thing I always do is carry my own portable CO detector wherever I travel….. it’s seems that every year there is a report somewhere that a pool heater in a hotel malfunctioned. Years ago I found this unit and what I liked about it, it gives a readout in ppm and is so small that it fits on a keychain.

https://www.amazon.com/Pocket-CO-72-9021-Monoxide-Detector/dp/B001G0STBK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526256908&sr=8-3&keywords=Pocket+CO

In fact, I liked it so much I’ve bought one for all my family members and for my employees and also given away some as prizes. I have no connection to the company but I do highly recommend that travellers have something like this when they travel. If you do any flying in small planes, a small unit like this is a must./p>


208 posted on 05/13/2018 5:31:49 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: hecticskeptic

Good to know! I travel a lot for work.


209 posted on 05/13/2018 7:54:56 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: TexasGator

Yeah, kinda inconvenient to reach to the LF rotor area, but I have long legs! ;-)


210 posted on 05/13/2018 8:31:48 PM PDT by Drago
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To: SamAdams76

Not so much a Key-Head, whatever that is. Just someone who is not all that impressed with a key less car. I don’t see it as that impressive of a technology or that much of a convenience. Particularly since there seems to be a problem with people pulling the cars into their attached garages, forgetting to shut them off & ending up dead.


211 posted on 05/13/2018 8:32:58 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: oh8eleven
20 years ago already, I wouldnt buy a house with a built in garage. It looks ridiculous and was too damned dangerous in too many ways back then.

Problem solved.

212 posted on 05/13/2018 8:37:22 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“Just someone who is not all that impressed with a key less car.”

There is always 10% ....


213 posted on 05/13/2018 9:26:45 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: willk

Having been poisoned by Carbon Monoxide I can tell you it is not a pleasant experiance.


214 posted on 05/14/2018 4:52:23 AM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: Elderberry
I had to charge the battery via the starter solenoid connection
I would not have thought of that. Outstanding.
215 posted on 05/14/2018 5:48:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: TexasGator

Neither, we’re talking about a lot of stuff.


216 posted on 05/14/2018 5:48:46 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: PIF

What did you say?? Please speak louder!!!


217 posted on 05/14/2018 2:51:45 PM PDT by entropy12 (1 Mil Daca is the shining object to hide 30 mil low quality LEGAL immigrants in last 25 years)
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To: TexasGator

Yeah, there are many things about our vehicle that leave me unimpressed. The stupid CVT transmission and their PZEV fuel saving feature are particularly troublesome.


218 posted on 05/14/2018 6:47:41 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. ~ Hosea 8:7)
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To: oh8eleven

What? They make keyless cars? I don’t buy anything newer than 6 or 7 years old.


219 posted on 05/14/2018 8:32:27 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Diversity for the sake of diversity is just flat out stupidity.)
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