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Deadly Convenience: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll
NY Times ^ | 13 May 2018 | David Jeans and Majlie De Puy Kamp

Posted on 05/13/2018 8:55:26 AM PDT by oh8eleven

On a summer morning last year, Fred Schaub drove his Toyota RAV4 into the garage attached to his Florida home and went into the house with the wireless key fob, evidently believing the car was shut off. Twenty-nine hours later, he was found dead, overcome with carbon monoxide that flooded his home while he slept.

“After 75 years of driving, my father thought that when he took the key with him when he left the car, the car would be off,” said Mr. Schaub’s son Doug.

Mr. Schaub is among more than two dozen people killed by carbon monoxide nationwide since 2006 after a keyless-ignition vehicle was inadvertently left running in a garage. Dozens of others have been injured, some left with brain damage.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autosafety; keylessignition
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To: BobL
What type of idiot parks a car with a keyless ignition in a garage?

Normal people with some wits about them press the big button that says ON/OFF. My 78 year old mom has no problem with this, nor does my wife.

21 posted on 05/13/2018 9:21:46 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: oh8eleven

Rav-4’s, like most keyless cars, give some warning beeps if you open the door with it running - if the guy had been driving for 75 years, he must have been around 90 and mental capacity due to age is suspect....tragic that someone didn’t stand up and tell him they would handle his transportation...no reason to not park such a car in a garage...let’s face it, if you can park a car and not realize it is running when you get out, it ain’t the car’s fault...


22 posted on 05/13/2018 9:23:10 AM PDT by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Ikeon

Imma bust on you for getting a V6 Charger.

I can absolutely tell when my 420HP Coyote is running in my Mustang.

:P


23 posted on 05/13/2018 9:26:48 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: oh8eleven

This happened in Boca back in 2009. Two 11-year-old girls were killed (I knew them).

The car was in the garage, and the keys were on the kitchen table.

https://www.firstalertstore.com/news.asp?news_id=16

I never understood how this could have happened till I read this article this morning on FR.


24 posted on 05/13/2018 9:27:23 AM PDT by left that other site (For America to have CONFIDENCE in our future, we must have PRIDE in our HISTORY... DJT)
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To: BobL

>>What type of idiot parks a car with a keyless ignition in a garage?<<

The same kind of idiot who parks a keyfull ignition car in the garage. Someone who doesn’t want to expose their new vehicle to the elements.

This is is on the designers of the car (and in fact the whole stupid keyless ignition thing). Not on the owners who think they have shut off a device and it continue to run.


25 posted on 05/13/2018 9:27:49 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (robert mueller is an unguided missile)
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To: null and void

So your key fob battery dies while you are doing 80 on the Washington beltway ...


26 posted on 05/13/2018 9:29:18 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: oh8eleven
This makes it easier for a hacker/Deep Stater to kill people via CO poisoning, then turn off the car to avoid suspicion OR leave it on to distract from the evil plot.

I'm just sayin'...

27 posted on 05/13/2018 9:29:58 AM PDT by DoodleBob
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To: PIF

I got out of a rental and came back next morning to find it warm and coxy, with a nearly empty gas tank.

Could not hear it idle. Had a good laugh, but hate keyless cars. Sometimes you have to cycle the sequence a couple of times to get them to shut down.


28 posted on 05/13/2018 9:31:00 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: catnipman

I’m 65, my wife is a bit older, we bought a 2017 RAV4 last year. If you open your door and get out while the car is still running, it starts a very audible beeping alarm. Having a keyless car does take some getting used to, but it doesn’t take long to establish a routine of pushing the big start/stop button. If someone is afraid of forgetting to push the stop button, they should set their headlights to automatically come on when the car is started, day or night. When you stop the vehicle, shut the engine off, and close the doors, the lights will stay on for only about a minute, just stand in the garage until the lights go off, and you’re sure that the engine is off.

Keyless cars are an optional extra. Those who are really concerned about their ability to remember that the car is still running, shouldn’t pay for the keyless option.


29 posted on 05/13/2018 9:31:34 AM PDT by euram
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To: Jim from C-Town
I don't understand why it is so convenient not to use a key.

Keyless ignition is wonderful if you live in a cold climate and your car is parked outside. Start it up remotely from the comfort of your home a few minutes before you have to leave, drink a cup of coffee, then head off to work in a warm car with defrosted windows.

30 posted on 05/13/2018 9:32:15 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: BobL
What type of idiot parks a car with a keyless ignition in a garage?

Millions of people.

31 posted on 05/13/2018 9:33:56 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Jim from C-Town

I left my keys in the ignition the other day. It happens. I looked all over the place for the keys. Finally I said, “I wonder if I left them in the car”. I did. Never did that before but shit happens.


32 posted on 05/13/2018 9:34:34 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I don't understand why it is so convenient not to use a key.

It's very convenient not to use a key.

33 posted on 05/13/2018 9:34:46 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: American in Israel

Note to self - if ever get new car get keyed car, else used.


34 posted on 05/13/2018 9:36:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: oh8eleven

On some rentals, if you hit the button while your foot is on the brake it will not shut down. Or if you hit the button and then shift to park it will not shut down. You have to physically verify it obeyed before you exit.

STUPID DESIGN.


35 posted on 05/13/2018 9:38:26 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

One of the conveniences I really enjoy.


36 posted on 05/13/2018 9:38:42 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: BobL

Yeah. I always park in my living room... sheesh


37 posted on 05/13/2018 9:39:22 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

“On some rentals, if you hit the button while your foot is on the brake it will not shut down. “

That way on all.


38 posted on 05/13/2018 9:40:47 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: TexasGator
So your key fob battery dies while you are doing 80 on the Washington beltway ...

Won't affect anything. Your drive will continue as normal. You won't notice that battery is dead until you go to start your car up next time.

As a preventive measure, I have the battery replaced in my key fob every couple of years while I'm getting the car serviced. I believe they will last 3-4 years as a general rule.

39 posted on 05/13/2018 9:41:59 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: BobL

A better question: What kind of idiot parks a car, ANY car, without making sure it is shut down? There have been enough vehicles in the last 40 years that have provided nasty surprises when left running unattended that you’d have to be a complete moron to not make sure your internal combustion vehicle has shut down before leaving the area.


40 posted on 05/13/2018 9:42:06 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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