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"News Analysis": Trump weaponizes 'deep state' to investigate his investigators
NBC "News" ^ | May 23, 2018 | by Jonathan Allen

Posted on 05/23/2018 12:01:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

like that guy said in “THE BIG HIT”

What he’s gonna need is a ‘trace buster buster buster buster...’

Would this be cultural appropriation? Now the tous le dique want to “drain the swamp” and are complaining about “weaponizing government agencies???”

popcorn...

KYPD


21 posted on 05/23/2018 12:11:19 PM PDT by petro45acp (So why wasn't anyone there willing, able, and equipped to protect those people?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Cautions from America’s First President:

George Washington’s Farewell Address, excerpted portions on “dangers”:

“But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.

“All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.

“However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

“Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite, not only that you steadily discountenance irregular oppositions to its acknowledged authority, but also that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts. One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown. In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country; that facility in changes, upon the credit of mere hypothesis and opinion, exposes to perpetual change, from the endless variety of hypothesis and opinion; and remember, especially, that for the efficient management of your common interests, in a country so extensive as ours, a government of as much vigor as is consistent with the perfect security of liberty is indispensable. Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.

“I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

“This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

“Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

“It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

“There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

“It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.”


22 posted on 05/23/2018 12:11:54 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Supposedly the Joint Chiefs of Staff during ‘Watergate’ offered Nixon the option of using the military to ‘Off’ the Press. He should have taken them up on it.


23 posted on 05/23/2018 12:13:16 PM PDT by heights
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I keep hearing the mythical worry the “independence” of the Justice Department is being compromised by Trump’s actions.

It didn’t bother his critics when Eric Holder was Obama’s toady.

Hypocrisy, much? Different strokes for different folks.

What’s the fake news media upset about? If no crime was committed, they should welcome an investigation.

Spying on a political party is a far graver matter than so-called Russian collusion.

It impacts on the very health of our democracy in whether our law enforcement agencies follow the very laws they are sworn to uphold.


24 posted on 05/23/2018 12:14:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Duh Dems and NBC think they can take-over the term ‘Deep State’ while they are the Deep State.


25 posted on 05/23/2018 12:17:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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Can you imagine a media that didn't give a sh*t when Watergate happened???
26 posted on 05/23/2018 12:19:57 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: tet68

I LOVE IT!............................


27 posted on 05/23/2018 12:20:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Remember all the great work Obama did for the black community?.............. Me neither.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“News Analysis”: Media weaponizes deception and its authority to push an ignorant, gullible public towards an agenda.


28 posted on 05/23/2018 12:22:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Trump has done nothing not in his rightful authority and he has done far less than his Executive authority allows him to.

These lunatics had better hope that they don’t succeed in toppling his presidency because if they do there will be no rule of law anymore. They may think their two-tiered legal system is just peachy for them but there is no such thing as two-tiered anarchy.

No laws for you, no laws for us.


29 posted on 05/23/2018 12:23:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
things that are normally respected are disrespected in this administration, such as the distance the president should have from the Justice Department.

How can this creep say that with a straight face, after Obama and Lynch showed their cards? These people are either insane of getting very desperate.

30 posted on 05/23/2018 12:24:25 PM PDT by expat2
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Well played sir!


31 posted on 05/23/2018 12:30:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: 1Old Pro
Must be talking points, Juan Williams used it yesterday.

Yep. Classic case of accusing their opponents of what they know they've been doing. I don't think it's fooling anyone much.

While experts on the Constitution say his latest moves may be legal by themselves, they express concern that Trump is operating outside of normal behavior for a president in the post-Watergate era...

Presidents in the post-Watergate era don't usually find their campaigns spied on by the FBI, their staff set up for perjury traps, their reputations attacked by oppo-research lies that are deliberately disguised as real intelligence. Or, for that matter, the country's media participating in a coup attempt.

The quote above is classic disinformation - "legal by themselves" actually means "Trump has every right to do what he's doing"; the rest of the sentence reading, "but we'll use it to smear him anyway." This is what "news analysis" has devolved into: "Sure, the action was legal but doing it is a sure sign of guilt." Right.

32 posted on 05/23/2018 12:31:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Trump is using his powers, both formal and informal, to investigate the investigators

or

Trump refers top CROOKED cops to internal affairs.


33 posted on 05/23/2018 12:32:19 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Billthedrill

I can’t stand Juan to the point the media source goes off the instant I hear his voice or see his face.

Although, I applauded his support of MS-13. He can do that all day everyday.


34 posted on 05/23/2018 12:37:12 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

bkmk


35 posted on 05/23/2018 12:45:09 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Red Badger

Matches EXACTLY with the change in Talking Points from the DNC which came out yesterday.
“Trump has done nothing to drain the Swamp”.

My feeling is someone pointed out the MSM that technically, they could be charged with “Obstruction”.
Their only way out is to continue to fight for the DNC.


36 posted on 05/23/2018 12:48:08 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
concern that Trump is operating outside of normal behavior for a president in the post-Watergate era

awwwww.....your little Watergate game, where a handful of media outlets with big megaphones get veto power over who gets to be President, is coming to an end. How sad! Too bad!

37 posted on 05/23/2018 12:48:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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“In other words, Trump is using his powers, both formal and informal, to investigate the investigators. “

And...why should he not? We, arguably, have never been at this set of circumstances in the history of the nation. There is no map or plan of approach to resolve it. As long as Trump is working within the confines of the Constitution and inside the Executive branch scope, then WHAT’S THE COMPLAINT? Other than, he’s getting close to the drain plug of the cesspool that is FedGov?


38 posted on 05/23/2018 12:50:22 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. Mr Trump, we've got your six.)
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To: Zathras

Doubling down on stupid will only make them a bigger target for prosecutors.................


39 posted on 05/23/2018 12:51:30 PM PDT by Red Badger (Remember all the great work Obama did for the black community?.............. Me neither.)
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...investigate the investigators...

Investigators = Hussein Obama regime

40 posted on 05/23/2018 12:52:09 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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