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It's Time for Conservatives to Address Environmental Issues
Townhall ^ | 06/18/2018 | Benji Backer

Posted on 06/18/2018 9:47:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: shanover

I read a book once by either Cussler, Koonts or some other mega popular author where the bad guys were environmentalist animal rights whackos that were going to release a chemical that would kill all of mankind except their chosen thousands living in s protected and sealed building. Then they would, after the poison went innert, venture forward and rule the world as an all natural Utopia of nature as it was meant to be.

They got busted and lost (but they almost won). Their penalty? The twenty or so leaders were stripped naked and dropped off by helicopter into a jungle infested with various types of poison snakes, insects, and carnivorous animals of various sorts.

Conservatives understand that it is a balance. We are to subdue nature, not become part of it. It’s what makes us “in God’s image.”


21 posted on 06/18/2018 10:27:52 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is time for eco-freaks to clean up their mess after Earth Day rallies and other liberal BS get-togethers.

Compare with conservative rallies and get back to me you tree-hugging twits.

22 posted on 06/18/2018 10:31:45 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The author raises some valid points, but his underlying premise is flawed.

It's true that most Americans consider environmental issues important, but political polls conducted specifically during political campaigns consistently show that the vast majority of them see this as a classic "important, but not right now" issue in every election cycle.

The attitude of a typical American voter can best be described as the following on the day he or she enters the voting booth: "The environment is important, but I'll worry about it later because other things (the economy, jobs, education, crime, health care, etc.) are more important right now."

Guess what happens? "Later" never comes for the vast majority of American voters.

23 posted on 06/18/2018 10:32:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Migraine
I don't think environmental standards can be devolved to states and localities very easily.

The Federal government has a clear role in addressing environmental issues that affect people across state lines -- which happens to cover a lot of situations.

24 posted on 06/18/2018 10:33:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope. Stick with immigration until we have a sensible solution that shuts down the incentives for illegal immigration once and for all time.

It is the Progressives who need to continue scatter-shooting until they find an issue worth discussion. We have ours.


25 posted on 06/18/2018 10:36:06 AM PDT by StAntKnee (Add your own danged sarc tag)
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To: shanover
The liberals are nastier, dirtier and more foul than animals.

Ever go to a Willie Nelson Concert and observe the tons of garbage that his crowd leave behind?

If you have observed that then go to a BlueGrass festival, you can cary the trash left behind in a hand bag.

26 posted on 06/18/2018 10:37:28 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Largely because of these issues, Democrats hold a two-to-one advantage over Republicans with Millennial voters.

Hardly. Millenials favor Democrats because the donks promise them all kinds of free stuff.

27 posted on 06/18/2018 10:40:59 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind

Translation: it’s time for conservatives to get on board the junk science train — by calling it “stewardship “.


28 posted on 06/18/2018 10:45:49 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a Hunter and a Fisherman. I don’t want dirty water or air. I just don’t want men put out of work, because there’s one lily spotted tree newt, 8 miles from their job site.


29 posted on 06/18/2018 10:49:30 AM PDT by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, millenials, do you consistently:

Set your thermostats to 68 in winter and 76 in summer?
Walk or bike instead of drive?
Drive efficiently when you do drive?
Waste little food?
Minimize lights at night?
Recycle?
Avoid one-use plastics?
Understand energy balance?


30 posted on 06/18/2018 11:03:58 AM PDT by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterto)
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To: Socon-Econ
Translation: it’s time for conservatives to get on board the junk science train — by calling it "stewardship".

Political movements almost never reach 50% buy-in so why are the eco-commies demanding 90%? Short of pointed machine guns that's impossible to get. They should stop wasting time capturing that unicorn and just go full eco-tard in all the places where they live, mainly the cities. Most carbon emissions are in support of the high-spend cliff dwelling lifestyle. Focus on the biggest pollution problems first.

31 posted on 06/18/2018 11:08:53 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Alberta's Child
don't think environmental standards can be devolved to states and localities very easily.

Not easily; but worth doing; because we have seen that a federal agency that has a mandate to guard the envioronment will become overbearing, overly-officious bureaucrats who benefit most when the problem is NOT solved.

The Federal government has a clear role in addressing environmental issues that affect people across state lines -- which happens to cover a lot of situations.

A clear role, yes. That is what the Interstate Commerce clause covers already. A good example would be the air, and rivers.

32 posted on 06/18/2018 11:51:50 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: rlmorel

I, for one, do not “cherish” “National Parks”.

Convince me I should.


33 posted on 06/18/2018 12:14:30 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: robroys woman
Clancy. Rainbow Six.
34 posted on 06/18/2018 12:18:04 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I thought it was hysterical when Robert Redford did a documentary of the huge clean-up of San Francisco Bay and he had to give Ronald Reagan the credit for putting the muscle behind the entire effort.

That's right, Jerry Brown's papa, the big wig democrat, did nothing.

35 posted on 06/18/2018 12:25:01 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: ExGeeEye

Hehehe...something about the way you worded that made me laugh...

I ‘cherish’ National Parks. Well, no. I cherish my wife. I cherish my friends. I cherish my Country.

I ‘like’ National Parks!


36 posted on 06/18/2018 12:27:12 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Idiot morons! Most of my 58 years walking this earth hunting and hiking it to places most never tread and with most all I associated with while doing this, we had a couple of simple rules...leave NOTHING behind and bring out more than you went in with. No doubt much of what we brought out was left behind by these very eco-freaks.

"It's Time for Conservatives to Address Environmental Issues"

KMA!

37 posted on 06/18/2018 12:35:38 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Apparently I voted demoncrat for 40 years. They all wore 'R' jerseys! 'R'atpublicans!)
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To: ExGeeEye

That’s it. Simple but oddly satisfying. especially the end.


38 posted on 06/18/2018 12:43:22 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: subterfuge

The abolition of first principles calls for a subversion of the understandings of what virtues and values should have our admiration. Rights are constants and not something to be battled over. When battles of rights begin to occur, the leftist with metaphysical vigor is sure to be behind it.

Rights are generally understood by the conservative to be established, exercised, passed down and for the individual. When leftists promote fake rights they make them collective and they do this with malicious intent. The purpose is to have collective rights of the many, trump individual rights of the real person. (Hat tip, T. Sowell) They use Utilitarian justifications for saying that the “right” of the many should overturn the right of the one.

The “environment” becomes more important than my own, and very real, back yard. The environment becomes what “those that truly care” want it to be and mean, in a metaphysical sense rather than a real sense.

Once they have subverted rules and logic. only they can make the evaluations and rulings that show how the make-beleive environment’s requirements valued by the many that care can demand a solution that takes my freedom in my back yard away.

Central planning and centralized solutions are an integral part of this ignoring of the simple rules for the commons area adopted from time immemorial but hey, there are Socialists to elect, a revolution to have and conservative dinosaurs to kill.


39 posted on 06/18/2018 12:48:57 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The US is probably the one place that has actually done more to clean up the environment than any other country on earth.

You want to see what neglect of the environment looks like? Go to China, Russia, any current communist country, and most of the third world. There is where the real disasters are.


40 posted on 06/18/2018 12:52:40 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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