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CEASE & DESIST: Town Orders Family to Stop Hosting Bible Studies on Farm
toddstarnes.com ^ | 7/18/18 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 07/19/2018 2:37:17 AM PDT by a little elbow grease

July 18, 2018

The owners of a Pennsylvania farm have been ordered by the Sewickley Heights Borough to cease and desist holding Bible studies on their private property.

Borough leaders accused Scott and Terri Fetterolf of improperly using their 35-acre farm as a place of worship, a place of assembly and as a commercial venue. They were served a cease-and-desist order in October 2017, the Post-Gazette reported.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: farm; firstamendment; government; pennsylvania; religion
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To: Alberta's Child
Yes -- the township is ordering the owners to stop their Bible gatherings. But they're also being ordered to stop other commercial activities that have nothing to do with religious freedom.

Then why not differentiate between them in the order? Or are the homeowners using the "worship" thing to garner sympathy? Did the township actually order them to stop the religious activities?

81 posted on 07/19/2018 8:09:49 AM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: Labyrinthos

“The particular Zoning Code at issue has been in place since 1968, and it clearly and unequivocally prohibits the following uses within the Historical-Rural Residential District: “Place of Worship,” “Place of Assembly,” “Commercial Venue/Event Space,” and “Special or Studio School.”
“Like them or not, zoning codes that restrict or even prohibit certain uses are permissible under the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments to to the United States Constitution. As applied specifically to “places of worship,” a municipality, under the US Constitution and federal law (i.e., the Religious Land Uses and Institutionalized Persons Act), can completely prohibit religious uses in a zoning district as long as the municipality does not completely ban places of worship from all zoning districts within the municipality, treats places of worship the same as similar, non religious uses (i.e., non-religious places of assembly), and does not discriminate between religious uses. “

Seems to me that if you are going to nab them for singing hymns, you also need to prosecute any birthday parties, reunions, July 4 celebrations, etc.


82 posted on 07/19/2018 8:10:51 AM PDT by Western Phil
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4. Mrs. Fetterolf has said she intends to stand up for her rights as a farmer.

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I don’t see where her rights as a farmer are being denied. It
is the other activities she is doing that isn’t classified as
farming, or so it seems. Zoning and its implications can be
a hassle at times.


83 posted on 07/19/2018 8:12:30 AM PDT by deport
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To: Shethink13
Or are the homeowners using the "worship" thing to garner sympathy?

From what this article says, it sounds like they're using the "worship" angle as the basis for a civil rights lawsuit. The other commercial activities wouldn't be covered by those Federal statutes and the First Amendment.

84 posted on 07/19/2018 8:13:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Western Phil
As applied specifically to “places of worship,” a municipality, under the US Constitution and federal law (i.e., the Religious Land Uses and Institutionalized Persons Act), can completely prohibit religious uses in a zoning district as long as the municipality does not completely ban places of worship from all zoning districts within the municipality, treats places of worship the same as similar, non religious uses (i.e., non-religious places of assembly), and does not discriminate between religious uses.

There's another angle to this, too.

A municipality cannot completely prohibit religious uses in a zoning district if they routinely give variances for other non-religious uses.

That's how local municipalities ended up on the losing end of a couple of religious/zoning cases here in New Jersey -- one involving a mosque and another involving a yeshiva.

85 posted on 07/19/2018 8:15:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I don’t know much about how all of that works.

Here in WA state, small farmers in Snohomish and Skagit Counties are selling many things off of their farms. Some have corn mazes, pig races, etc.

For many, they create dozens of jobs and represent a good chunk of revenue, without which they’d likely fold.

A name I don’t here much any more is ADM. They bought up so many farms over the years and consolidated them. Cargill I believe did similar.


86 posted on 07/19/2018 8:20:19 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: a little elbow grease
"Go F yourself."
"LOL ...... I'd hope they'd use a slightly different verb.

The last three letters of "F" probably are "eth".

87 posted on 07/19/2018 8:55:08 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: Lazamataz

See Post No. 37.


88 posted on 07/19/2018 9:36:34 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Western Phil
Seems to me that if you are going to nab them for singing hymns, you also need to prosecute any birthday parties, reunions, July 4 celebrations, etc.

The Zoning Code defines "Places of Worship" as follows: " A building, structure, and/or lot where people regularly observe, practice, or participate in religious or spiritual services, meetings, and/or activities or that is designed (or adapted) for the assembly or collection of persons for civic, political, religious, educational, social, recreational, and amusement purposes. " The key word is "regularly."

89 posted on 07/19/2018 9:47:58 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Lazamataz
• Update:

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https://triblive.com/local/allegheny/13881739-74/couple-sues-sewickley-heights-over-order-banning-religious-activities-at-farm

Tom Davidson | Thursday, July 19, 2018, 12:30 p.m. Couple sues Sewickley Heights over order banning religious activities at farm

Updated 46 minutes ago

(snip) -- The owners of a historic farm in Sewickley Heights have been in a quiet, but lengthy battle over whether they’re allowed to host Bible studies and other religious events at the farm — something the borough contends violates its zoning ordinance.

The Harrisburg-based Independence Law Center filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday on behalf of Scott and Theresa Fetterolf alleging the borough’s attempts to keep them from using their farm for religious purposes violates their civil rights.

“The borough has no business overseeing a group of people reading and discussing a book together on private property — even if that book is the Bible,” Randall Wenger, chief counsel for the Independence Law Center, said in a statement.

(snip) -- The lawsuit said the 32-acre property has been used for such events by its prior owner “for many decades.”

That owner, Nancy Doyle Chalfant, one of the founders of the nonprofit Verland, “opened her home, and her beloved Dundee Farm, to church retreats, seminary picnics, youth groups and many other organizations she supported,” according to her 2012 obituary.

The Fetterolfs attended church with Chalfant and bought the property in 2003, Allegheny County real estate records show. According to the lawsuit, the Fetterolfs bought the property “to carry on the traditions started by Chalfant.”

They did so without incident until Oct. 5, 2017, when the borough served a notice of violation and cease and desist order on the Fetterolfs that said activities including a Bible study, worship night, religious retreats and fundraisers were not permitted in the borough’s historical rural and residential zone without a variance.

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90 posted on 07/19/2018 10:29:43 AM PDT by a little elbow grease (O#metoo tweets ))
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To: Lazamataz
"Clearly the home of sex-traffickers."

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Events at the farm.....

The beekeeper Picnic is code for the sex-trafficking.

;-)

91 posted on 07/19/2018 10:35:32 AM PDT by a little elbow grease (O#metoo tweets ))
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To: a little elbow grease

Sorry, I didn’t mean to direct this personally at anyone. Just a general observation. I should have made sure I wasn’t replying to anyone other than the initial poster. My “you” was not a personal “you”.

I was just pointing out that the headline was misleading. There was more to the story including commercial ventures on the farm.


92 posted on 07/19/2018 11:17:01 AM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: a little elbow grease

Mine is large and pretty


93 posted on 07/19/2018 12:21:41 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: a little elbow grease

“Go Forgive yourself.”


94 posted on 07/19/2018 1:08:12 PM PDT by moovova
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To: a little elbow grease

Pulling up their address on Zillow, and viewing the map, they’re surrounded by 1-2 million dollar homes. But they are also surrounded by tons of open and wooded land. Their farm is also large with great distances between their structures and other property lines. Street view shows a narrow back country two lane out in the middle of nowhere (albeit, an expensive nowhere).


95 posted on 07/19/2018 1:21:47 PM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova
Yes, I'm very familiar with the area. I used to paint a number of those houses back in the '80's.

Very nice people for the most part.

96 posted on 07/19/2018 1:41:22 PM PDT by a little elbow grease (O#metoo tweets ))
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To: Drawsing

Yes ........ see post # 91.


97 posted on 07/19/2018 1:43:11 PM PDT by a little elbow grease (O#metoo tweets ))
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To: a little elbow grease

Thanks for posting the events schedule which shows the zoning violations are not solely based on religious activities.


98 posted on 07/19/2018 1:48:25 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( Tagline disabled.)
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To: a little elbow grease

There are multiple wedding photos on their instagram. Looks like it’s also a wedding venue.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/869808107/dundee-farm-and-fields-llc/?hl=en


99 posted on 07/19/2018 1:52:27 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( Tagline disabled.)
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To: a little elbow grease

The ad for a Honey Festival at the farm has “Donation $10/car” at the bottom. Zoning don’t like that.


100 posted on 07/19/2018 1:55:01 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( Tagline disabled.)
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