Posted on 09/20/2018 9:46:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I think the point is that Iraq had nothing to do with 911.
It was mostly Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen Saudi Arabia and Palestinians.
Let’s drop these old issues and concentrate on the following:
IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID
Do you REALLY want the crazed, obsessed Dims in charge? Pelosi? Schumer?
Do you REALLY want your country, hood, school, FLOODED WITH ILLEGALS?
Do you REALLY want ICE ABOLISHED?
IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID
For thousands of years large and powerful nations have gone down to defeat and drained their resources trying to succeed militarily in that part of the world. No win win there, ever. Tribal, religious morass.
I agree. We needed to take Saddam out.
No head of state cheers Americans getting killed.
No head of state can publicly brag about paying the families of suicide bombers to kill women and children in Israel.
There were probably cheaper ways to do it. And we probably spent too much rebuilding. And we should have taken enough oil to pay for it.
A military response to 9-11 was necessary. Afghanistan had become the Disney World of Islamic terrorism and that nest of vipers needed to be cleaned out. But Iraq was not only unnecessary, I think a credible argument could be made that it was a war of aggression on our part. And FTR I supported it at the time, and I was wrong.
Can you disagree with the policy without spreading nutty conspiracy theories?
Bush and Cheney were optimistic about what military force could achieve in the Middle East -- way too optimistic.
And I think the refugees didn't start coming in numbers until some time later.
Agree 100% with Trump and with your reason for the war.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. And the tiny propaganda figleafs they hang on Saddam pale in comparison to the responsibility of the Saudi government.
Any argument for invading Iraq is 10 times stronger for invading Saudi Arabia.
Many of us can and do disagree on the methods used (anywhere from dropping nuclear weapons to fighting on the ground as we did) but we had 3000 Americans MURDERED that day.
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The initial attacks in Afghanistan right after 9/11 were one thing. But going into Iraq was stupid.
Damned close, although a lot of people I know would have put Vietnam and WW1 alongside it.
I had a Great Uncle who was a Bird Colonel in the Army.
He spent half a decade in Japan with the Occupation Forces.
From his stories I knew that if Bush did this, rebuilding Iraq to the kind of country he envisioned would take a decade at absolute bare minimum. He was disingenuous in not letting the American people in on that.
Dumbest thing he did IMO was put Paul Bremer in charge. That pompous Harvard-Yalie Swamp Monster represented the very worst of our self-important DC Establishment.
No American would want this guy telling them what to do.
So what made us think Iraqis would?
If they did, it would reflect a failure of leadership on Bush's part.
But it still wouldn't have been as big a mistake as invading Iraq on a flimsy pretext and with little hope of lasting success was.
YES!!! This is true and sad. Just think of all of our good people were killed or maimed in this misadventure. I understand why people don’t want to think this was for nought, because of how much they or those close to them lost, but people need to admit it so as to prevent such horrors in the future. Politicians are always ready to use our troops for their fantasies of changing the world. Just say “no” to wars for the benefit of other countries or for nation-building.
Knowing what we do about Trump’s ability to forge deals with third world dictators, I am pretty sure Trump could have worked something out with Saddam - with Saddam begging for his life and Trump laying down the rules. How many billions would have been saved, 1000s of military lives, 10s of thousands of civilian lives..and of course no ISIS.
It wasn’t a mistake. It was treason by Walter Cronkite.
It isn’t a nutty conspiracy theory. By design, the white nations of the northern hemisphere are being flooded with tens of millions of third worlders.
It is laughable to think it’s an unforeseeable accident.
It isn’t a nutty conspiracy theory. By design, the white nations of the northern hemisphere are being flooded with tens of millions of third worlders.
It is laughable to think it’s an unforeseeable accident.
> I think Vietnam might be worthy of consideration folks. <
Agreed. But W had the lessons of Vietnam right before him. W could have avoided all the mistakes LBJ had made. Instead, W chose to repeat them, just in a slightly different way.
By the way, remember the helicopters evacuating the US embassy as Saigon fell? Sooner or later we will see the same in Kabul. And it’s all on W.
To blame Obama for any of this would be like blaming Ford for the fall of Vietnam.
I’ll always believe GWB attacked Saddam for revenge for GHWB’s failure in original Gulf War.
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