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Is the United States on the verge of civil war?
SF Chronicle ^ | Sep. 29, 2018 | victor davis hanson

Posted on 09/30/2018 10:57:22 PM PDT by aquila48

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes. Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism, or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

What is causing America to turn differences into these bitter hatreds — and why now?

The internet and social media often descend into an electronic lynch mob. In a nanosecond, an insignificant local news story goes viral. Immediately hundreds of millions of people use it to drum up the evils or virtues of either progressivism or conservatism.

Anonymity is a force multiplier of these tensions. Fake online identities provide cover for ever greater extremism — on the logic that no one is ever called to account for his or her words.

Speed is also the enemy of common sense and restraint. Millions of bloggers rush to be the first to post their take on a news event, without much worry about whether it soon becomes a “fake news” moment of unsubstantiated gossip and fiction.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfchronicle.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anothercw2; anothercwii; cw2; cwii; jesusagain; repeatcw2; repeatcwii; vdh; yetanothercw2; yetanothercwii
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To: Electric Graffiti
Round them up, sterilize and deport.

Can I do the sterilization part?


181 posted on 10/02/2018 12:31:30 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: RoosterRedux
The GOP plays by the rule of law and the law doesn't instruct us on how we can "round em up." And even if it did, who in the GOP has the guts to "round em up"?

Us Constitution, Amendment 5: - Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger. ... .

182 posted on 10/02/2018 12:35:43 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: Travis McGee
Concur. See also Patriot Nurse's YooToob thoughts....and note her alternate video location in the event Yoo Toob reds nuke her vids there as they have elsewhere. USA Today say Civil war is coming. IS IT?
183 posted on 10/02/2018 12:40:20 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: Mark17
I don’t think we know for sure what happened in Las Vegas.

Indeed.

184 posted on 10/02/2018 12:43:20 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: Travis McGee
...his subversion mission was a great success....

Just So. But with the death of the Soviet Unions Central Committee and Comintern [CI] that mission now falls to their stepchild, the Democrat-Socialist media of the USA.

The Tsar is dead; long live the new Tsar.

185 posted on 10/02/2018 12:47:59 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: GregNH
There are three liberal women on the court, how do Roberts get to the left of them?

To begin with, when the time comes to replace Ruth Bader-Meinhoff, nominate former Alabama Chief Justice [and West Pointer] Roy Moore. That will immediately incur the rath of eliminating the claim that the post is a *womewn's justice* vacancy to be filled only by a broad in a black dress, but will also mock the claim that the fale sex charges accusers can be believed. And, in the event that the opponents manage to block the approval or seating of the Justice, no problem: the liberal woman's position remains vacant and mooted.

With any luck at all, that will give the other two a serious case of apoplrxy, which they may not survive.

186 posted on 10/02/2018 12:55:43 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: Gen.Blather
It’s been more than half a lifetime ago that I studied the French revolution.

It's been more than half a lifetime ago since I experienced the Cuban Revolution, in 1958, at ten years of age. Though I did not stay for the final act [Thanks, Marines!] I got enough of a taste of it that I've always hoped it would never come to the USA...and that it could, and now it has.

That time, I was too young to be able to shoot back. This time, I am not.

187 posted on 10/02/2018 12:59:33 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: archy

No one is going to nominate anyone 70+ to the USSC. Merrick Garland was considered a compromise because he’s in his 60s and wouldn’t serve so long.


188 posted on 10/02/2018 1:00:12 PM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: DesScorp; Travis McGee
It may be next year, it may be in 10 years, but it’s coming.

All it would take would be the crash of Air Force One with President Trump aboard. Oh, and the FBI investigating the *Accident.*

Game on.

189 posted on 10/02/2018 1:02:17 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: Electric Graffiti
Sterilize and deport is my motto.

Make that *Sterilize and behead* and you've got my backing. And that of my pals.


190 posted on 10/02/2018 1:08:39 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: lapsus calami
Citizens organizing and blasting away at each other? - naw.

Concur. But expect an increase of home invasion massacres with no surviving witnesses. And, shortly thereafter, rural roadblocks with occasional on-the-spot executions of occupants who fail the local purity test.

191 posted on 10/02/2018 1:14:02 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: archy

lolol


192 posted on 10/02/2018 1:16:47 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Jack Black
Everything we are seeing suggests that the army is as riddled with leftist sabatours as the IRS

Everything I've seen in the last 15 years tells me that the Combat Arms services- the Infantry, Armor, Artillery and Combat Engineers- not to forget evac section and battalion level combat medics- generally detested the Obama leadership period and come from generally Trump-supportive families.

Yep, there are some college ROTC-trained junior officer lefties, and trhere's rot galore in the Military Intelligence Corps in particular, especially among those brown-nosing for future three and four-letter agency governmental paychecks.

About the Navy and Coasties, I'm not that close an observer [though a former Dept of the Navy civilian employee] but would bet that at the very worst the decay there would be no worse than 50%...as it was at times under GW Bush.

193 posted on 10/02/2018 1:26:14 PM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: LS; Impy; DarthVader; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale

Lindsay’s at it again! WTH?!?!

#84380

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48360-post-1862594.html#pid1862594


194 posted on 10/02/2018 5:11:41 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

He is 100% right on and the little ricin thing today is going to unleash the wrath of Darth Mattis.


195 posted on 10/02/2018 5:26:49 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of today be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

Yes and yes.

The time is near...


196 posted on 10/02/2018 5:31:08 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; kingattax

Ping


197 posted on 10/02/2018 5:47:55 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of today be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: LS

Thank you so much. There are many reasons to be optimistic at this point. After reading the previous posts in this thread, it’s easy to be depressed.

Cementing the Judicial branch of our Republic is key, and the left is frantic to stop the process.

I hope to see more posts from you on FR.


198 posted on 10/02/2018 6:18:31 PM PDT by Darnright (We live in interesting times.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

BTW, I can never play Twatter videos. No idea why.


199 posted on 10/02/2018 6:42:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: foreverfree

Some woman(?) that works for Feinstien. See the “cat lady” link in post 140 (the post I was replying too)


200 posted on 10/02/2018 6:52:44 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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