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Gun Control Fail: California Firearm Homicides Up 18 Percent
breitbart.com ^ | 12/8/2018 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 12/09/2018 10:56:01 AM PST by rktman

California, a state with every gun control imaginable, witnessed an 18 percent rise in firearm homicides from 2014 to 2016.

This rise in firearm homicides comes despite the fact that Democrats, gun control groups, and the establishment media constantly claim that states with the strictest gun controls see lower rates of violence and death.

California has universal background checks, gun registration requirements, red flag laws (i.e., Gun Violence Restraining Orders), a ten-day waiting period for gun purchases, an “assault weapons” ban, a one-gun-per-month limit on handgun purchases, a minimum firearm purchase age of 21, a ban on campus carry, a “good cause” restriction for concealed carry permit issuance, and controls on the purchase of ammunition. The ammunition controls limit law-abiding Californians to buying ammunition from state-approved vendors–all of whom are in-state sellers–and adds a fee to any ammunition bought online, also requiring that ammunition to be shipped to a state-approved vendor for pickup.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico; Philosophy; US: California; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; carolinafornia; chicago; fastandfurious; illinois; kaba; mexico; nra; secondamendment
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To: rktman

Can Amazon sell “Yellow Vests” in Kalifornia?


41 posted on 12/09/2018 12:47:18 PM PST by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? -Homer Simpson)
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To: Morpheus2009

“I would say a big part is the rise of ineffectual parents.”

What parents? Didn’t you know, It takes a village.


42 posted on 12/09/2018 12:50:46 PM PST by mistfree (It's a very uncreative man who can't think of more than one way to spell a word.)
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To: rktman

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/12/wife_of_a_liberal_senator_gets_mugged_by_reality.html


43 posted on 12/09/2018 1:15:32 PM PST by GailA (Wife of RET. SCPO, GET OVER IT, DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT!)
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To: rktman; Bob434; sailor76; SkyDancer; VR-21; econjack
I imagine Californians will never allow a popular dilution to be overcome by reality. My letter below has not had much interest here in Oregon.

From: Retain Mike Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 6:26 PM To: WSJ Letters (wsj.ltrs@wsj.com) Subject: Shootings as Public Health Crises

First, you don’t “got to do something”, but should consider shootings as public health crises.

President Obama ordered a gun violence study by Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The study concluded self-defense can be an important crime deterrent and there was no evidence gun restrictions reduced gun violence. Skeptics can pay $38 for their own copy. However, the CDC study Bill Clinton ordered in 2003 presented the same conclusions, and that one is free on line.

The Clinton Administration also commissioned in 2005 a National Science Foundation (NSF) study finding no positive correlation between gun control laws and other measures after consulting 400 sources and doing its own research. The only dissent detailed in Appendix A was John Lott’s conclusion concealed carry laws do drive down murder rates.

The dissent discussed a twenty-year study by John Lott and William Landes from the University of Chicago Law School. That and subsequent Lott studies the NSF reviewed correlated passage of concealed carry laws with large decreases in multiple victim shootings, and reduced harm when shootings did occur.

Since guns have the volition of a cabbage, and laws controlling violence by controlling guns have proved futile, the standard emotional, asymmetrical reactions only provide useful political theater and failed solutions. Consider hardening sites by limiting access and allowing concealed carry. Eliminate gun free zones, because people there enjoy the same security as chickens in a Foster Farms processing plant. Stop bureaucrats and politicians from ignoring repeated demonstrations of severe psychopathic behavior.

Obama Study Concluded Firearms Used for Self-Defense ‘Important Crime Deterrent’ https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/obama-study-concluded-firearms-used-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

Center for Disease Control First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine: Firearms and Violence, A Critical Review http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309091241

Study by John Lott and William Landes from the University of Chicago Law School http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=272929

44 posted on 12/09/2018 1:38:30 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: SkyDancer
Even if Gov Moonbeam put the state in lockdown, he'd fail in achieving nirvana: there are tens of thousands of weapons violations monthly in federal prison.

As you and all Normal people know, and as we need to Red-pill others that can be reached: this stupidity has nothing to do with reducing crime or saving lives. It has everything to do with increasing control.

45 posted on 12/09/2018 1:39:44 PM PST by DoodleBob
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To: rktman
The Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation found that from 2014 to 2016 gun homicides increased 18 percent.”

Actually, it's probably worse than 18 percent. Last year, I was talking to a retired LEO who explained to me that some metro areas (Cali, one strongly suspects) are experts at under-reporting murders and other serious violent crimes.

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46 posted on 12/09/2018 1:45:43 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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To: rktman

Gov Jerry Brown released over 40,000 criminals from jail. The democrats have allowed all kinds of crime to go unpunished.


47 posted on 12/09/2018 1:45:53 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: rktman

Obviously the answer is to ban cars in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. What does that have to do with homicides by guns? Not a thing but it will shut the leftists up about more gun laws.


48 posted on 12/09/2018 2:10:37 PM PST by Boomer (To Thine Own Self Be True)
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To: rktman; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...
Fast and Furious may play some role; illegal immigrants / drug cartels certainly do; ultimately the political responsibility lies with the Demagogic Party in California, in Chicago Illinois, and the country as a whole.

49 posted on 12/09/2018 2:40:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: rktman

Liberals never let a little thing like complete and utter failure make them rethink their position.


50 posted on 12/09/2018 2:44:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the DemocRats are all cats.)
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To: rktman

Demonrats are a generally disgusting species...


51 posted on 12/09/2018 2:54:34 PM PST by northislander
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To: rktman

Lessee. Bring in third world savages by the millions all the while making it increasingly difficult for law abiding Californians to own/acquire/CCW firearms. And anybody is surprised that gun crime goes up? Hmm. Who could have imagined it? /s


52 posted on 12/09/2018 2:56:36 PM PST by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: rktman

The Gun Grabbers will just claim this is “proof” that their gun grabbing didn’t go “far enough”. Its the same with socialists who implement socialism and then when the inevitable disaster starts to unfold, claim its proof that they didn’t go far enough.

These religious Zealots are incapable of self examination and are completely immune to all facts and reason.


53 posted on 12/09/2018 2:57:32 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: rktman

It is NOT a “fail” because it was NEVER INTENDED to reduce crime. It is a success because it reduces gun ownership.

No gun control law is ever intended to reduce crime or enhance public safety. The sole purpose of gun control is to incrementally disarm the American populace moving to the final goal of complete prohibition of citizen gun ownership so as to make tyranny safe for the tyrants.


54 posted on 12/09/2018 3:12:54 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: OttawaFreeper; All
You can also consider that in the United Kingdom, homicide and violent crime were at very low levels when one did not even require a police permit to legally acquire a standard shotgun (before 1967).

They were even lower before 1920, when you could buy a gun, including machine guns, across the counter in England. No registration, no permits to own or carry a gun.

And crime was much lower than it is today.

All documented in the wonderful, scholarly work of Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm.

55 posted on 12/12/2018 8:22:14 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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