This guy has the top down in space which is generally considered to be 2.725 Kelvin which is -454.72°F (-270.4°C) in the shade! 
Posted on 02/03/2019 12:02:55 PM PST by Yossarian
Edited on 02/03/2019 12:44:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
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Cruz - and according to #46 the Fusion as well.
I could care less about Tesla Model 3 problems. What chaps my ass, is that it takes four writers from Bloomberg, to write the story, and between them, they don’t have brains enough to call winter, winter. Is it any wonder there is so much fake news. Another case of monkey see, monkey do.
Still won’t be able to write their name in the snow....legibly...
This guy has the top down in space which is generally considered to be 2.725 Kelvin which is -454.72°F (-270.4°C) in the shade!
That’s the biggest rub. These Tesla FANBOIS think they can compare Tesla to Camry’s, Fusion’s, and Sonata’s.
Tesla’s have to be compared to Lexus, BMW, Mercedes ect.
Tesla comes up woefully short in every category.
If you use the supercharger stations, you’re fuel costs are even more expensive.
Actual ways to deal with these problems.
https://insideevs.com/video-tesla-model-3-winter-fixes-frozen/
I'm bothered deeply by the subsidies these things get.
And I can tell you, in NorCal, the sense of entitlement and piousness the culture of electric cars creates is bat-guano level insane.
Designed and built in the temperate climate of the San Francisco Bay Area. My guess they never thought about designing it for Nanook of the North. Or maybe even Lake Tahoe.
How pathetic...door handles freezing up and people having to put dental tape on their $100,000 toys.
The funny thing is that, if EVs actually did their job and stopped global warming, their cars would freeze up a lot more often!
Yeppers.
I loved my Karman Ghia but in a monster DC snowstorm (the year the plane hit the bridge) I was 7 hours getting back to Northern Virginia.
I pulled off the door panels and wrapped the insulation around my legs. It was so cold I just rolled down the windows to chat with the people walking by.
“Cold enough for you” The snow is beautiful, huh?”
No, it’s based in Palo Alto, CA which is in northern California. It gets horribly cold here. It goes below freezing two or three days every year.
The following may be true or not, I can’t say.
When the Alaska pipeline was being built, a guy wanted to get a job helping build it. So he took an airliner up that way.
He deplaned with his business suit in one of those thick plastic bags, holding it up by the clothes hanger attachment.
When he stepped out of the plane, the shock of the cold was severe and he dropped his suit bag onto the tarmac. It broke. He took the next flight back home.
“All that is needed is a spark and gasoline.”
You mustn’t forget compression. Ignition, fuel, and compression.
Very cold and very hot temperatures are hard on all battery chemistries.
Traditional lead-acid starting batteries need higher voltages to charge when cold...and don’t ever try to charge a discharged, frozen battery...BANG
This is my argument against ‘lectric vehicles.
I sold cars for two years and in the training you must take, so you are to speak about features of a vehicle, there are all kinds of caveats as to “predictions” for mileage.
Under ultimate conditions the vehicle can drive a certain distance before requiring a recharge.
If you turn on the radio it uses a certain amount of the fuel.
The rather large display screen uses fuel.
GPS uses a decent amount of fuel. Try running your cell phone without a charger and see how fast the GPS drains the battery.
Turn on the lights = fuel
Turn on high beams = fuel
Turn on heater = fuel
Turn on Air Conditioner = fuel.
Have dual temperature running in cabin = fuel
Go up hills, rush hour traffic, high speeds = fuel.
Before anyone says “Well, gas guzzler’s use fuel too” here is the difference: everything on on an electric vehicle requires one fuel source to run: The Battery or rather 2,400 batteries in series.
Modern Gas Guzzlers require fuel to propel the vehicle down the road and run a an alternator, which recharges the battery in your vehicle.
The alternator, pretty much powers everything else in your vehicle while the engine is running.
So, when you jump into a Ford Fusion and the gas gauge says you can drive 515 miles, you can pretty much drive 515 miles before needing to refuel.
In my case that is never true, since I drive my cars like I just stole them or I am at Indianapolis...
When you jump into a ‘lectric if it says you can drive 300 miles, it ain’t true in winter....at all
Years ago, I did a lot of work in power plants and industrial sites burning residual fuel oil, aka “Bunker C.” At room temperatures, it froze solid, so everything was heated - tanks, pumps, filters, pipes. If any of your heating apparatus broke, the oil would freeze up. It was really nasty, high sulfur stuff left over after refineries took out the good lighter fractions from the crude.
Then AAA arrives, changes out your battery for a new one, and you’re on your way home in ten minutes.
Oh, wait. You sit roadside for three hours waiting for enough battery charge to get you home in your EV. IF the AAA tow truck has a big enough charger. Or they tow your car.
Just imagine having to tow a car home because you ran out of “fuel.” How preposterous is that?
Could have happened. Plastic does not do well in extreme cold and neither do some people. Coldest air temp with no wind I ever experienced was -67*F. I could feel the heat literally getting sucked out of my body in spite of wearing every bit of Arctic gear that I had been issued. I went back to my room at the construction camp and turned up the thermostat ;-)
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