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Sweden says it built a Russian fighter jet killer - and stealth is totally irrelevant
Business Insider ^ | February 9, 2019 | Alex Lockie

Posted on 02/08/2019 6:41:29 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: beethovenfan

Yeah, it gives new meaning to turbine engines.


21 posted on 02/08/2019 7:28:05 PM PST by HighSierra5
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I always that Saab was the sound Saab owners made when they took their cars in for repairs and were handed the bill.

But in high school I was sort of thinking about buying a used Saab 2 stroke. Bought a ‘62 Chevy instead.


22 posted on 02/08/2019 7:31:40 PM PST by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: jjotto

Russian arrogance far exceeds its real ability. It has an economy not much bigger than Mexico.


Many years ago, before the fall of the Soviet Union, I was reading a spy novel. In it Soviet Agents were trying to infiltrate into the U.S. via Mexico. One spy says to the other something like, “I know we aren’t as advanced as the U.S. but why are Mexican highways better than ours?”


23 posted on 02/08/2019 7:44:55 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You gotta hate someone...know what I mean?

//kidding


24 posted on 02/08/2019 7:51:15 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Anyone who doesn’t think the US has the capability to screw up Russian avionics is mistaken.


25 posted on 02/08/2019 7:55:30 PM PST by WASCWatch
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To: jjotto
Russian arrogance far exceeds its real ability. It has an economy not much bigger than Mexico

That's the fairy-tale Russia wants you to believe. The reality is much different. You need to understand that Russia is the master of pys-ops, disinformation, and propaganda. Hell, they invented it.

I truly believe Russia faked the demise of the Soviet Union in order to regroup and get a leg up again.

26 posted on 02/08/2019 8:05:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the plan of the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You don’t know any Russians do you? Best comparison is running into a half a dozen mean drunks out on the town looking for trouble. Belligerent pride coupled with strength and minuscule morality quotent.


27 posted on 02/08/2019 8:05:08 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: WASCWatch

I remember reading how the retired EF-111A could shut off the lights of the whole east coast if it wanted to.


28 posted on 02/08/2019 9:30:03 PM PST by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: American in Israel

One sober black belt in Krav Maga will take down six drunk Russians in short order.


29 posted on 02/08/2019 9:35:25 PM PST by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“When did we have even ONE dogfight?”

Exercises at Nellis with imported aircraft.


30 posted on 02/08/2019 9:52:59 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: WASCWatch

It wasn’t a matter of insisting; by the time of Gulf War II, the Pentagon had retired USAF EF-111 squadrons, and the EA-6B was the only option for escort jamming, before the advent of the E/A-18 Growler. The “Spark Vark” (EF-111) was very capable and actually more adept at escort/close-in jamming because it was faster and could keep up with fourth-generation strike aircraft. The EA-6B was optimized against a wider range of threats, and very useful in various jamming roles, even if it wasn’t quite as fast as the EF-111.

Jamming platforms are the classic low-density/high-demand asset. Getting rid of the EF-111 (without a replacement) was a mistake, but the Air Force was overruled by DoD, which gave the tactical jamming mission to the Navy.

And contrary to what the Swedes say, the ideal approach to beating the Russians (or any other peer/near-peer competitor is not electronic combat alone. Indeed, EC (or radio electronic combat, as the Russians call it) is an integral part of Russian military doctrine and tactics. The best way to overcome the Russkie threat is a combination of stealth, EC (including cyber), stand-off weapons, real-time intel integration, training and tactics, to name a few.

The Russian AF has little combat experience over the last 50 years, and they don’t have large force employment exercises like Red Flag, where all elements of air combat are exercised. Ditto for the Chinese. Technology is great, but if you’re not able to employ it optimally—and in a tactically advantageous manner—your chances for victory are greatly reduced.


31 posted on 02/08/2019 10:06:38 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Gripen E is a very nice bird. The Russian fighters can do some interesting flight maneuvers. However, that just means that they die faster.


32 posted on 02/08/2019 10:20:58 PM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The entire green movement became the communist front.

Global warming and climate change, all pushed by socialist idiots. Economy killers. Socialists.

Our kids and young people have had such terrible public school brainwashing they cant tell how stupid they are, think they are brilliant, think feelings trump facts, and buy into the progressive propaganda fed to them since day 1.


33 posted on 02/08/2019 10:33:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So.... a HARM target?


34 posted on 02/08/2019 10:34:09 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: reed13k

with luck Russian and US fighters will never meet in combat.
I predict Russia and America may turn out to be allies in the next big war against China and her allies: North Korea, Iran, Turkey, and Cuba.


35 posted on 02/08/2019 11:18:11 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: vannrox

Sweden is a hellhole. It’s the Rape Capitol of Europe. That’s Islam for you.


36 posted on 02/08/2019 11:54:42 PM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: steve86

Steve, I’m retired Air Force. I know all about Red Flag and the 414th Combat Training Squadron.

They don’t use Russian jets there. They use F15’s and 16’s to emulate enemy forces. You can look it up.


37 posted on 02/09/2019 2:31:59 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

To be fair, both the Swedes and the Finns have a long history of fighting the Russians. It’s tradition, like eating half-rotted fish.


38 posted on 02/09/2019 3:30:45 AM PST by ferret_airlift
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To: WASCWatch
US Navy EA-6B Prowlers

Don't forget VMAQ-02 thru 04...those Marines pulled a lot of those sorties...
39 posted on 02/09/2019 5:21:54 AM PST by major_gaff (University of Parris Island, Class of '84)
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To: Wildbill22
Scuttlebutt was that an EA-6B actually did it...not sure if it was true or
not...you know how Sea Stories go...
40 posted on 02/09/2019 5:25:00 AM PST by major_gaff (University of Parris Island, Class of '84)
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