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Piece Found At Ethiopian Airlines Crash Site Shows Jet Was Set To Dive
www.ndtv.com/ ^ | Updated: March 15, 2019 15:33 IST | Alan Levin

Posted on 03/15/2019 11:04:17 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: SkyPilot

My speculation:

- several similar aviation accidents had autopilot and/or instrument indicator problems. Rather than simply hand fly the aircraft and rely on the standby gauges, these pilots kept trying to make the automated systems fly the aircraft, and they crashed.

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I agree. Incompetent pilots hesitate to disable any type of automation because they lack the skills to fly. If this was like the Lion Air crash all they had to do was disable the automatic trim.


21 posted on 03/15/2019 11:21:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: Red Badger
Was this pilot suicide? I find it at least a bit curious that of all the flights this aircraft has made the only two that crashed were being piloted by men from majority moslem countries.
22 posted on 03/15/2019 11:22:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Is that future life to breed with aliens so that their offspring can return to Earth and take over the planet? (I think we’re on to something)


23 posted on 03/15/2019 11:22:29 AM PDT by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: SkyPilot

Some said the elevation of the airport may have been a factor, at 7625 ft above sea level................

Could the computer have been mistaken in thinking the aircraft was higher than it was?.................


24 posted on 03/15/2019 11:23:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: SkyPilot

I have done 30+ cruises on large ships since 1988. Only experienced ONE dangerous episode where the ship suddenly made a hard right turn at full acceleration. several passengers were injured mainly who were in open areas with nothing solid to hang on to. Me and the family were on the staircase, and just hung on to the hand rails while the ship tilted 45 degrees.

The cause? The auto-pilot had malfunctioned!! With 1200 crew on board why do they need autopilots?


25 posted on 03/15/2019 11:23:46 AM PDT by entropy12 (Legal immigrants under chain migration not any better than illegal immigrants! Merit ONLY!!)
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To: Red Badger

Good question! Pilots must be trained to immediately disengage autopilots at the slightest hint of malfunction.


26 posted on 03/15/2019 11:26:06 AM PDT by entropy12 (Legal immigrants under chain migration not any better than illegal immigrants! Merit ONLY!!)
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To: butlerweave

“Jet Was Set To Dive , that’s the new anti stall on the plane”

Why would any flight management system make a plane dive into the ground?

I guess the answer in this case is that it didn’t know it was doing that because it was getting bad inputs.


27 posted on 03/15/2019 11:26:28 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Red Badger

Or was it set manually???
Aloha Snackbar??


28 posted on 03/15/2019 11:28:24 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SkyPilot

Just the opposite.. The MCAS system only activates if the Auto Pilot is OFF


29 posted on 03/15/2019 11:33:26 AM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: pgyanke

Computers are too heavily depended on.
The dreaded BSOD
How does one reboot a plane while in flight?


30 posted on 03/15/2019 11:36:43 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Red Badger
Why would it be on ‘Autopilot’ only 3 minutes into the flight?..................

The MCAS system is different from the autopilot. It is only enabled when the plane is flown manually. There is suppose to be a switch to turn it off altogether. When autopilot is on the MCAS system is off from articles I've read. When the plane is flown manually it has a tendency to lift the nose of the aircraft. The MCAS system forces the nose back down. I am not sure if that is a safety feature or fuel saving feature. I suspect it has more to do with the fuel savings.

31 posted on 03/15/2019 11:37:36 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: EVO X

The Max has lager engines and are placed forward on the old ones, because to anyone that has flown a 373 the engines are very close to the ground, thus lager engines shorter pylons and set them forward. This makes the wing pitch up due to the normal aeronautical lift but the engines themselves develop lift via thrust. The MCAS detects the Angle of attack indicators on each side of the nose, if these detects the a/c nearing a stall it trims the nose down (only if the flying is done MANUALLY)it also engages brakes or clutches to prevent the pilot from pulling the column back. The Fix is to engage the Auto-Pilot and turn the MCAS OFF (Two switches on the rear of the center console)
I hope this clears up the faulty and erroneous Auto-Pilot issue.
FWIW coming from a former Chief Pilot w/40k Mil and civil hrs


32 posted on 03/15/2019 11:56:22 AM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: cuban leaf

In France for eval.


33 posted on 03/15/2019 11:56:31 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: 9YearLurker

Your comment appears to have been mistakenly placed on this thread, rather than the Q thread, where it belongs.


34 posted on 03/15/2019 12:00:45 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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To: 9YearLurker

Keep Clam and back away from the bong..........


35 posted on 03/15/2019 12:03:22 PM PDT by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Red Badger

Silly me for pontificating with zero aeronautical knowledge, but aren’t every foreseeable contingency,even the most implausible,simulated over and over?


36 posted on 03/15/2019 12:15:30 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: shanover

There’s always a situation that can come up which is not programmed for.

The airport at Addis Ababa is over 7200 feet above sea level.

The computer may have been confused................


37 posted on 03/15/2019 12:21:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Robe
Just the opposite.. The MCAS system only activates if the Auto Pilot is OFF

Worth repeating. The pilot took control of the plane and was unaware of the MCAS system and how to turn it off.
38 posted on 03/15/2019 12:32:58 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Robe

Thanks for the reply. What is the purpose of MCAS? Is it safety or fuel savings? If it is safety, why have a switch somewhere to disable it.


39 posted on 03/15/2019 12:35:08 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: 9YearLurker

A plane going nose-first into the ground is not going to leave a whole lot left of a body. Especially when the plane is full of jet fuel.

We know jet fuel cannot melt steel, but it can melt flesh.


40 posted on 03/15/2019 12:42:49 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If we get Medicare for all, will we have to show IDs for service? Why?)
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