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ICYMI: Hispanic El Paso Residents Urgently Seek Firearms Training To Carry Concealed
townhall.com ^ | 8/17/2019 | Beth Baumann

Posted on 08/17/2019 10:11:53 AM PDT by rktman

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To: dp0622
An old, ornery redneck who probably did his sister :) Is that you?? :)

No, it was your wife and for $5 I thought I was getting a deal.........Fortunately I had drug coverage and it was only another $5 copay for the penicillin.........

41 posted on 08/17/2019 1:08:48 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: BobL

“..owning a gun is one of the surest ways of turning a Democrat into a Republican...”

Yep. Add this to legal immigrants’ dislike of illegal immigration, and there’s another significant demographic lost for the rats, along with Blexit, #WalkAway, good ol’ boys having had enough, Minnesotans fed up with the Somali insurgence, and what I call Femexit (feminists woke that the rats are NOT their friends) and ouch! Well, they’ve still got the faggots.


42 posted on 08/17/2019 1:49:16 PM PDT by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Too bad! :)


43 posted on 08/17/2019 1:58:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: chulaivn66
Well regulated militia!
44 posted on 08/17/2019 2:06:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: dp0622

I always suspected that you suffered from reading comprehension.
You’re one of those smart alecks that went to school and studied aren’t you? :)


45 posted on 08/17/2019 2:11:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Lots of states don’t require training - Washington State being one of them. “Shall Issue”. Of course to get a concealed permit you do need to do your fingerprints and a Federal background check.


46 posted on 08/17/2019 2:13:09 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: RandallFlagg

Welcome to ccw in Colorado. My suggestion while waiting for your chp application to be approved is to take a ccw legal class. They are fun and you learn the ins and outs of use of deadly force situations. And colorado does not have many restriction since no gun signs on businesses are not backed by law.


47 posted on 08/17/2019 2:13:18 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: 21twelve
Lots of states don’t require training

That's the major problem I have. I have been on many club clay ranges and indoor firing ranges where new shooters had no idea on how to properly handle a firearm...........

Fortunately there were range supervisors paying strict attention to what was going on and intervened ASAP........

48 posted on 08/17/2019 2:25:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: 21twelve

I have to amend my post. The subjects of the state of Washington did a referendum (or mob rule as I call them) that before one can buy a semi-auto rifle they will have had to taken a safety class within the last five years.

So, regardless of your military training, safety classes as a kid, and 20 years of safely shooting at the range or in the field, you’ll need to take a class before you buy a semi-auto rifle. That includes .22 rifles. (I’m not sure about shotguns.)


49 posted on 08/17/2019 2:26:23 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: 21twelve
Some "shall issue" states require training and some don't. However there are a number of states that are "unrestricted" where no permit and no courses are required. A few of those state's carry laws only pertain to residents.

Here is a list of "unrestricted" states.

Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Maine
Mississippi
Missouri
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

50 posted on 08/17/2019 2:44:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: bravo whiskey

Oh, I’ve been carrying for almost ten years now. We have to re certify every ten years, and my permit expires again in 2021.


51 posted on 08/17/2019 3:06:51 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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To: fella
...So that if a dictatorial oppressive government comes to power and decides to disarm us citizens it will know right where to go at 0-dark-30.

I wonder if the Philadelphia standoff wasn't instructive about the process of attrition.

52 posted on 08/17/2019 3:15:57 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: dp0622

I have ccw permits in 3-states and two required class and range time to obtain a permit.

I liked the idea of a class requirement...you would be AMAZED at the lack of very basic firearm knowledge of some of the people taking the class.

The classes I completed were all taught by ex, or active law enforcement personnel and were very well done...plus, lots of very good war stories.

The Nevada class was so good that I returned to the school and completed a combat handgun course which was excellent. Had to bring 400-rounds of ammo for the range section. Lots of good shoot-no shoot drills, multiple target engagement and firing from behind cover. Plus competition using a target “tree”.


53 posted on 08/17/2019 3:35:58 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Never fear the cow)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Every state requires it.

Wrong...my first permit in my state required me to walk into the sheriff's office and say, "hey guys, I would like a carry permit." Filled out an application, had my photo taken, for the permit, wrote the state a check, and 4-weeks later my shiny new CCW permit arrived in the mail. No class, nuttin.

54 posted on 08/17/2019 3:42:42 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Never fear the cow)
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To: Cuttnhorse
my first permit in my state required me to walk into the sheriff's office and say, "hey guys, I would like a carry permit.

If only Chicago had the same lack of requirement to carry weapons........The inner city would be much safer. Wouldn't it?

55 posted on 08/17/2019 3:56:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: TigersEye

It would be interesting to compare accidental death rates from guns at those states versus states with safety classes. I would guess that those states listed will have lower rates, as they all seem to have a “gun culture” - where most folks have been raised in homes with guns, and were given home instruction and a deep respect for guns from the time they were little.

I know my kids were, as was I.


56 posted on 08/17/2019 3:57:02 PM PDT by 21twelve (!)
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To: KC Burke

I agree, and something else I need to check into more, is that some states may recognize a citizen of Az without a CCW as having the same carry rights as a CCW holder just because of Arizona’s home constitutional carry law.


57 posted on 08/17/2019 4:01:46 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: 21twelve

So was I. It makes a big difference.

Still, the number of accidental discharges resulting in death or injury is so small that I would not be surprised if the differences in state-to-state statistics are minor.

I suspect that people who are unfamiliar with guns, and stay unfamiliar, are more likely to be the ones who let them collect dust.


58 posted on 08/17/2019 4:04:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I can’t believe that no one has mentioned that the El Paso Mall was a “gun free” zone. It doesn’t matter how many classes you take, or how many permits you have, or guns that you own, you will not be allowed, legally, to enter that Mall with a gun, and be able to protect yourself.

I really can’t understand why nobody gets that?


59 posted on 08/17/2019 4:25:36 PM PDT by euclid216
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To: rktman

Oops, most are not US citizens, many are illegal, so a bit of a non-starter.


60 posted on 08/17/2019 4:33:20 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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