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Top Marxist Throws Socialism and Communism Under the Bus
EconomicPolicyJournal.com ^ | December 12, 2019 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 12/12/2019 11:02:09 AM PST by PPSman

A debate took place last month at the SoHo Forum.

The proposition before the debaters was "Socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity."

Arguing in the affirmative was Richard D. Wolff, the preeminent American Marxian economist. He is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, and currently a Visiting Professor in the Graduate Program in International Affairs of the New School University in New York. Opposing was Gene Epstein, the former economics editor of Barron's Magazine.

The debate itself wasn't that interesting. Wolff is a skilled communicator and drove the debate off in different directions he wanted it to go.

But what struck me is how much Wolff had to yield to defend his socialist/communist position.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: communism; freemarkets; geneepstein; richarddwolff; robertwenzel; socialism; wolff

1 posted on 12/12/2019 11:02:09 AM PST by PPSman
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To: PPSman

If only reality would conform itself to the vision of intellectuals.


2 posted on 12/12/2019 11:06:42 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: Steely Tom

:)


3 posted on 12/12/2019 11:09:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PPSman

Any organization has those whose best work is in the work they know best how to do, not in judging the work (like management) they have no academic, professional or work experience in doing. Everyone cannot be everyone’s boss. It does not work.

If it did the kumbaya of the commune would already be the universally accepted preferred mode of life. It isn’t because it does not work.


4 posted on 12/12/2019 11:16:16 AM PST by Wuli
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To: PPSman
So basically he used the old worn out claim that socialism executed by this country would be better than the socialism ever tried in any other country, because we are smarter than those who tried it in other countries.

Sorry, it the ideology that fails. Besides a strongman will always gain control and ensure its failure for all with he and his becoming the only "successes" to appear.

5 posted on 12/12/2019 11:21:43 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: PPSman

appears to be little more than worker-owned business co-operatives.

Workers in highly capital intensive industries would obtain ownership of far more capital than workers who happen to work in less capital intensive industries. Few workers are going to want to work in such industries as clothing or restaurants.

What if a worker owns part of a business decides to switch to a different industry? It will eventually become necessary in the long run to keep ownership and employment totally separate just as in capitalism.This will be necessary to permit free movement of labor and capital.

6 posted on 12/12/2019 11:27:07 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: PPSman
Of course socialism works! What other system could take a failed landscape painter and make him a Führer? (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei)

Or a bus driver who now is a multi-millionaire (after disarming the entire populace - for their own good!)

7 posted on 12/12/2019 11:37:21 AM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: PPSman

As with all things of the Left, this man is a true hypocrite, no different than the denizens of Hollywood, Wall St, Gore, DiCaprio, Congress, the Tech industry, and every other Limousine Liberal on the planet.

It’s real easy to be a Liberal if you’re loaded. It’s real easy to be a Marxist Economist if you’ve never held a real job, all of your theories are research based(because the places that practice this type of economics are doing it wrong), and you have a secure, tenured job where you can’t get fired. And you’ve never run a business.

Wolff probably tought a few lectures a week, has his grad assistants to most of his work, rest of the time he was figuring out what his next book is going to be about and flying all over the world on the Massachusetts taxpayer’s dime. He didn’t have a thing to worry about and he had an adoring student body.

I graduated from UMASS. It was bad enough when I was there, apparently it has only gotten worse.


8 posted on 12/12/2019 11:40:01 AM PST by qaz123
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To: PPSman

There was a Democrat Senator Presidential candidate in the 70’s (forgot his name! it’s an age issue) that lost his Presidential bid and retired. He purchased a hotel/resort where he tried the ideals promoted by the communist author Wolfe. He went broke.

Later in an interview he stated that running a business and making payroll is a lot more difficult that first envisioned He said the co-op mentality was enjoyable but sometimes the boss has to be the boss.


9 posted on 12/12/2019 11:41:33 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: qaz123

Marxian economy is a contradiction in terms.
One of those oxy-moronic thingys.


10 posted on 12/12/2019 11:43:10 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: PPSman

The big problem is that even those who don’t think of themselves as Communists, or even Socialists, still accept the Marxian worldview of Class Struggle.


11 posted on 12/12/2019 11:45:14 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: tet68

You should go to UMASS/Amherst. It’d blow your mind.


12 posted on 12/12/2019 11:47:22 AM PST by qaz123
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To: Steely Tom
"If only reality would conform itself to the vision of intellectuals."

Or go with the Stalin model:

Have everyone who disagrees rounded up and shot, or sent to the camps for "re-education".

13 posted on 12/12/2019 11:54:45 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait do it today.)
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To: Robert DeLong

I have talked with Leftists who believe that modern IT technology, supply chain software and AI will allow them to FINALLY be successful in running a centrally managed economy.

I expect they’re gonna try.


14 posted on 12/12/2019 11:55:25 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: dirtymac
There was a Democrat Senator Presidential candidate in the 70’s (forgot his name!

George McGovern. The hotel went bankrupt

15 posted on 12/12/2019 11:57:29 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Wuli
a new socialism that appears to be little more than worker-owned business co-operatives.

Sounds like the old Syndicalism.

16 posted on 12/12/2019 12:55:59 PM PST by arthurus (,.l|l''jjjjj-box)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That would make control even easier, not to mention exterminations more likely.


17 posted on 12/12/2019 1:31:30 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“I have talked with Leftists who believe that modern IT technology, supply chain software and AI will allow them to FINALLY be successful in running a centrally managed economy.”

This is a contemporary version of the premise of the argument for “market socialism” put forward in the Socialist Calculation Debate that began in the late 19th century and revved up again in the 1930s, pitting Oskar Lange and Abba Lerner against Ludwig von Mises and F. A. Hayek. The key articles (IMO) refuting the feasibility of the accurate simulation of market prices by a computerized model of the economy is Hayek’s “The Use of Knowledge in Society” and G. Warren Nutter’s “Markets without Property: A Grand Illusion.”


18 posted on 12/12/2019 1:57:22 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: PPSman

Wolfe is psych red. Dangerous to students and society.


19 posted on 12/13/2019 12:36:14 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures)
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