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To: rlmorel
Ethel Rosenberg was more of a committed, hard core communist than her husband. She was definitely a critical part of the spy ring.
27 posted on 01/17/2020 6:35:54 AM PST by rdcbn ( Referentiai)
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To: rdcbn; Gay State Conservative; SJackson; griswold3; A_Former_Democrat; outpostinmass2; ...
Exactly. In my readings, the women seemed to me to almost always more strident believers than the men were. IIRC, she was present at a lot of the meetings and discussions they had

I believe Morton Sobell clung to this lie to his death in an effort to still portray this conviction of her as unjust.

There was this article I came across Rosenberg Lies Never Cease and while the author exposes himself in one respect with this sentence "...Although Senator Joe McCarthy was a drunk charlatan, it turns out Moscow really did possess a vast network of spies in 1940s America..." he is spot on with other aspects of this issue.

Joe McCarthy was an American Hero who gave his life for his cause, which was to highlight the fact that the "Red Scare" was nothing of what that title implied, but that communists had infiltrated all levels of our government and even the military in some areas...but all that is for another thread.)

Here are some excerpts from the article for the "She wasn't guilty" crowd (Gay State Conservative, I don't get the impression you are one of those, I understood you to be expressing what you have heard, which is expected in this):


From the article:
Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on November 27, 1944, is worth citing in detail:



This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was aware of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well-developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust.

That Ethel’s role in Soviet espionage went beyond sympathy was revealed in Message 1340 from New York to Moscow, sent on September 21, 1944. It discusses the possible recruitment of a new American agent:

  1. To VIKTOR [i]:

    Lately the development of new people [D% has been in pro­gress]. LIBERAL [ii] recommended the wife of his wife’s brother, Ruth GREENGLASS, with a safe flat in view. She is 21 years old, a TOWNSWOMAN [GOROZhANKA] [iii], a GYMNAST [FIZKUL’TORNITsA] (iv) since 1942. She lives on STANTON ISTANTAUN] Street. LIBERAL and his wife recommend her as an intelligent and clever girl.

    Comments:

    [i] VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P. M. FITIN.

    [ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.

    [iii] GOROZhANKA: American citizen.

    [iv] FIZKULITURNITsA: Probably a Member of the Young Communist League.


He we learn Ethel was a such a willing and witting member of the Soviet espionage apparat in mid-1940s America that she was setting up her own sister-in-law as a candidate for recruitment by the KGB. The observation that Ruth Greenglass had a “safe” flat indicates they had clandestine work in mind for her.

Moreover, it’s impossible to believe that Ethel was wholly unaware of what Julius was up to. As the head of his own Soviet agent network for years, Julius was recruiting and running spies for Moscow, several of them relatives and friends whom Ethel knew well. Julius had spy equipment such as cameras provided by the KGB to facilitate his espionage (see Message 1600, November 14, 1944, which discusses some of the clandestine tradecraft that Julius used). Ethel was a clever woman and it’s far-fetched to think she never noticed her husband photographing thousands of pages of classified U.S. materials in their not overly large apartment.

I would defy anyone reading these internal KGB communications to regard Ethel Rosenberg as an "innocent" and her conviction and execution as unjust.

40 posted on 01/17/2020 7:45:24 AM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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