Posted on 06/01/2020 4:19:54 PM PDT by NautiNurse
MINNEAPOLIS (FOX 9) – Fox 9 reports that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s report released Monday ruled the death of George Floyd a homicide.
The updated report states that on May 25, George Floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by a law enforcement officer(s). Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin is now charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter in connection to Floyd’s death.
Earlier Monday, the attorneys for the family of George Floyd shared the findings of their separate autopsy, which determined that Floyd died of “asphyxia from sustained pressure” on his neck and back.
The new Medical Examiner’s report also notes other significant conditions such as arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; and recent methamphetamine use.
Last week, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office released a preliminary report in which it was determined that Floyd likely died from a combination of underlying health conditions, being restrained by police, and any potential intoxicants in his system.
There was reportedly no physical evidence that he died of asphyxia of strangulation.
At least 20%.
Did the knee-cop say he felt a neck pulse? You have no idea.
I am sitting at my desk at the moment. I am a life long runner, and I have excellent cardiovascular health.
I cannot find a pulse in my left wrist. I can barely feel the pulse in my right wrist. When I shave in the morning, I can actually see the pulse in my neck.
I completely understand where you are coming from, Whiskers.
In your mind, this guy is 100% guilty. If we had a Purge Day, you would exuberantly put a bullet in his head.
Me? I believe in the Rule of Law. I believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty.
Like I said before, there is nothing more we have to talk about.
And you know it.
The dead man was not a trained runner.
And he had a duty of care after a fellow policeman said "he doesn't have a pulse" at the VERY LEAST to double check.
There is no defending that in this world or the next, for a 19-year-veteran first responder.
And keeping his knee on the guy's neck...that is an open-and-shut civil rights violation.
The problem is this.
When a policeman is accused, the authorities bend over and drop their pants, to go out of their way to find ANY scintilla of speculation that their might be a possibility of pretending that there's a fig leaf that the guy MIGHT have extenuating circumstances.
And they call that presumption of innocence.
That' s NOT what they do to anyone who's not a favored government official, in which case, they openly lie through their foul teeth and hide Brady material and lie openly under oath. See also Lt. General Michael Flynn.
And, admit it. If it had been anyone but four cops in a city desperate to fill out the ranks for policemen, if four any other people, had been on film doing what those police did?
Murder one, no bail, all four of them, the same day.
And you know that as well as I do.
“””””He died from a heart attack, not a fentanyl overdose.”””””
What do you think caused the heart attack?
Fentanyl overdose and meth is a deadly combination.
Re: “Why don’t they hire tons of black cops...Why is it seemingly so hard to do?”
Below average test scores.
Below average written and oral communication skills.
Below average leadership and management skills.
Above average wash out rate for failed drug tests and criminal background checks.
By the way, the Minneapolis Chief of Police is a Black Mexican American.
Seattle, where I live, has a Black female Chief of Police.
Portland, where I used to live, had Charles Moose, a Black Police Chief, a Black orchestra conductor, and a Black female school superintendent.
Portland was like 4% Black at the time.
But it never helps. Low income Black communities are always in a borderline state of anarchy. And, low income Black Americans are still the most disruptive and most hateful ethnic group in the USA.
Blacks have disproportionate criminal records and can’t pass background
They released toxic screen?
Where did you get this crap that Mr. Floyd overdosed on anything? You’re just making that up since the actual facts aren’t supporting your predetermined opinions.
Oh, yeah: Jeffery Epstein didn’t kill himself!
You are being dishonest. You are the one making this case about race. Point to one comment I made where race is mentioned, Bubba. Just one.
I haven’t seen full toxicology results. The report yesterday specifically addressed Fentanyl intoxication along with recent methamphetamine use. It did not say whether the deceased had other medications in his system for example, hypertension or heart disease.
And he died his hair for mug shot. It was gray day Floyd died.
Yep, it was clearly murder. This has to be one of the best-documented homicides in history—hidef cameras from multiple angles.
Awwww... did your fave porn star Floyd the landlord check out of life?
Pulling out a can of mace to prevent bystanders from giving aid?
Inform the federal court.
https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca6/13-3720/13-3720-2014-04-11.pdf?ts=1411029623
Before: MERRITT, BOGGS, and STRANCH, Circuit Judges.BOGGS, Circuit Judge. Cordell Drummond shot himself in the leg and lay bleeding off a public street. Two Springfield Township police officers called paramedics and then stood by with guns drawn, reasonably believing that Drummond may have been armed and dangerous. Sharon Pierce, individually and as administratrix of Drummond’s estate, sued the Township under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, alleging that the Township’s police officers violated Drummond’s due-process rights by failing to provide medical aid and by preventing civilian bystanders from providing aid. The district court granted summary judgment for the Township. Because the Township did not deprive Drummond of a constitutional right, we affirm.
I am sure you researched your post thoroughly beforehand and had some court opinion in mind, but what was it? I have not seen a law or opinion that requires a cop to allow a bystander to provide aid to a suspect.
Subdivision 1. Duty to assist. A person at the scene of an emergency who knows that another person is exposed to or has suffered grave physical harm shall, to the extent that the person can do so without danger or peril to self or others, give reasonable assistance to the exposed person. Reasonable assistance may include obtaining or attempting to obtain aid from law enforcement or medical personnel. A person who violates this subdivision is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.
The duty to assist law would not kick in until Chauvin knew Floyd had suffered a grave physical harm. Then it could garner a petty misdemeanor.
AND not doing CPR on a handcuffed guy in your custody, after one of your fellow cops has just told you (on video and in front of witnesses) that he doesn't have a pulse?
They really needed a defibrillator, and very quickly, possibly more quickly than Floyd's unresponsiveness was detected. Even had Floyd been in a hospital, and not been full of drugs, he would have had poor chances of surviving a cardiac arrest.
That's depraved indifference right there, regardless of what caused the heart to stop beating. You are irretrievably utterly and forever wrong.
While standing up, George Floyd complained about difficulty breathing. His airways were unobstructed. His carotids were not being pinched. He was describing the early undiagnosed symptoms of his looming cardiac event. His erratic manner caused someone to report him to the police. George Floyd had heart disease and led a dangerous lifestle that included cocaine, fentanyl and methamphetamine. George Floyd was high on drugs, semi-delusional, and uncooperative. His actions led to him being restrained by the police while awaiting transport. During the restraint, George Floyd's cardiac condition progressed to cardiac arrest. Blood flow stopped as his heart spasmed. Almost instantly he went unconscious. Once George Floyd entered cardiac arrest, his chances of survival were slim to none. In order to show that Officer Chauvin is guilty or murder or manslaughter, the prosecution must show that this would not have happened but for the acts or omissions of Officer Chauvin. As it cannot be shown that the acts or omissions of Officer Chauvin led to the death of George Floyd, depraved indifference is not an issue. George Floyd was on the precipice of a cardiac event before Officer Chauvin entered the scene. George Floyd could have fallen asleep in his car and suffered the same cardiac event that happened. George Floyd created his own danger when he mixed heart disease with fentanyl and meth. He succumbed to his own reckless behavior.
There is a case for the defense. The prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chauvin killed Floyd. Until it can prove the killing, a look into Chauvin's heart will not matter. First, the prosecution must show that Chauvin killed Floyd by arresting his heart.
Read the Probable Cause.
I am sure I have read that more than you. It is exonerating. Multiple likely contributing factors to the cause of death means none is certain. The prosecution cannot argue likely. He might as well move to stipulate reasonable doubt. The Statement of Probable Cause strongly indicated the cause of death would be found as heart attack or ventricular fibrillation, and now we have cardio-pulmonary arrrest. With no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, it is just about impossible to prove neck compression as the cause of cardio-pulmonary arrest, especially with a drugged up career druggie with multiple drug convictions for cocaine. It appears unknown and unknowable if Chauvin caused Floyd's unconsciousness, but beyond all doubt, for the several minutes before that, his actions did not cause unconsciousness. When a person goes into ventricular arrythmia, they have no blood circulation and can face plant without resistance. With a heart attack, blood flow diminishes but keeps flowing. With cardiac arrest, blood flow stops.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150630135103.htm
Cardiac arrest strikes almost 600,000 people each year, killing the vast majority of those individuals, says a new report from the Institute of Medicine. Every year in the U.S., approximately 395,000 cases of cardiac arrest occur outside of a hospital setting, in which less than 6 percent survive. Approximately 200,000 cardiac arrests occur each year in hospitals, and 24 percent of those patients survive. Estimates suggest that cardiac arrest is the third leading cause of death in the U.S. behind cancer and heart disease.
When George Floyd suffered a cardiac arrest, he had a less than 6% chance of survival, and with the drugs in his system, probably significantly less, maybe none at all.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf
CHAUVIN Derek, COMPLAINT
STATEMENT OF PROBABLE CAUSE (excerpt)
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.
BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.
No physical findings to support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. The heart stopped and he stopped breathing. He likely suffered ventricular fibrillation. He showed fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use. As the court noted approvingly in Price, "Defendants' expert on methamphetamine abuse, Joseph Shannon, M.D., stated: "The only factor that can explain his death in and of itself was acute methamphetamine intoxication or excited delirium .... This is a highly lethal illness which may well have caused his death regardless of where he was, the restraints used or the struggle involved."
Also, as was noted in Price, "First, Price had methamphetamine in his system when Dr. Eisele conducted the autopsy, which means that he had recently used it.[20] Second, methamphetamine irritates the heart and makes it more prone to a cardiac arrest. (Eisele Excerpt of Trial Tr. at 25, 27.) Third, Price had "internal derangements" within his heart that chronic methamphetamine abuse could have caused. (Id.) Fourth, methamphetamine can cause the body to release catecholamines (adrenaline) which also can irritate the heart. Dr. Eisele found catecholamines in Price's body. Fifth, Price had been acting in a bizarre fashion, which indicates that he was suffering from a methamphetamine-induced psychosis. (Neuman Excerpt of Trial Tr. at 34-35.)
Meth can mess the heart up and cause psychosis. And George Floyd was calling for his dead mother. And George Floyd died from cardio-pulmonary arrest, not asphyxia or strangulation. Likely contributing factors to cardio-pulmonary arrest were coronary artery disease, and hypertensive heart disease, and Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, and fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use.
Any or all of the factors could have contributed. It is also possible that one or more of the factors did not contribute to Floyd's cardio-pulmonary arrest. Unless they can get more specific, it could have been the drugs, and not the neck. Beyond a reasonable doubt, whatever pressure was applied to the neck or elsewhere did not cause unconsciousness for about five minutes. Shuttng off the carotids causes unconsciousness in a few seconds. A cardiac arrest causes almost instant unconsciousness. The time from unconsciousness to death is relevant. If Floyd could have been dead within 30 seconds (20? 10? 0?) of unconsciousness, then the rest of the time Chauvin was putting pressure on a dead man. To a degree of scientific certainty, at what point was he dead and unrecoverable? If Floyd could have been unrecoverable upon unconsciousness due to drugs, and mixing fentanyl and meth can do that, Chauvin could not have killed a dead man by prolonged pressure.
You're a long way from proving the actions of Chauvin even rendered Floyd unconscious or dead. The prosecution must prove every element of its theory beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense need only have a reasonable alternate theory on any element.
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