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Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan
Asia Times ^
| MARCH 20, 2023
| SPENGLER (David Goldman)
Posted on 03/22/2023 8:45:37 AM PDT by Kazan
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:45:37 AM PDT
by
Kazan
To: Kazan
Yeah, I think if Russia gets a breakout in Lyman, Bakhmut, or Aviiwhatever, you’re probably going to see Zelensky tossed out and a peace treaty made under China or Turkey. NATO will scream foul, but Ukraine won’t listen. By then their negotiation position will be existential.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:48:29 AM PDT
by
struggle
To: struggle
More likely Turkey...and IIRC, is also friends with Russia...
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:49:47 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
( )
To: Kazan
the big test comes in the spring.
Ukes throw 40k trained and equipped men into the battle.
Russians throw 500k poorly trained and equipped men into the battle.
We’ll see.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:52:16 AM PDT
by
ckilmer
(q)
To: Kazan
> “recruits are being thrown into battle lines with three weeks of training.”
And yet they are still inflicting more casualties on the Russians than they are taking themselves! Wow, if only they had started the war with 3 week trainees.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:52:22 AM PDT
by
glorgau
To: struggle
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:53:16 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
( )
To: Kazan
I’ll be glad when this thing is over.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:53:56 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
To: Kazan
The US cannot allow peace at any cost. They are banking on the profits of the Military Industrialized Complex and a win for Joe Biden. Even if it means a million dead Ukrainians.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:54:57 AM PDT
by
realcleanguy
(quickly things are falling apart, now that the )
To: Kazan; realcleanguy
Written by a guy who is a partner at Yunfeng Financial and makes all his money in China.
No surprise he extolls every word comrade Xi speaks.
You should feel deep embarrassment for posting PRC propaganda on FR.
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:59:05 AM PDT
by
Renfrew
(Muscovia delenda est)
To: Kazan
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posted on
03/22/2023 8:59:42 AM PDT
by
MeganC
(There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
To: Kazan
Looks like NATO fought until the last Ukrainian.
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:01:20 AM PDT
by
2banana
(Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
To: Renfrew
Huh, I posted exactly what the Democrats want. Are you saying the Democrats are PRC mouthpieces?
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:02:48 AM PDT
by
realcleanguy
(quickly things are falling apart, now that the )
To: Kazan
But what is this so-called Chinese peace plan? There are no specifics.
The most critical aspect of this development is what the author identifies as a catastrophic loss of US influence in the world. Putative allies like Saudi and India are ignoring the US and cutting their own deals with China and Russia, even with Iran.
Anthony Blinken told Ukraine they could not allow China to broker a deal. Ukraine ignored him — and us. See what all those billions of military aid have bought us. Squat.
To: Petrosius
there were 12 points in the Chinese plan
Point #1 - “respect sovereignty and national boundaries”
... and if Russia had just followed that first point, there would be no war now
To: realcleanguy
What an embarrassing slap in the face it will be if Zelensky embraces China's peace proposal. The only reason this is possible is we have a corrupt and compromised moron in the white house. Everything this moron does damages America. He's an old lying asshole who hasn't been right about anything over the past 40 years. America will be extremely lucky if it survives the next two years in one piece.
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:28:38 AM PDT
by
Rdct29
(Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
To: Kazan
Ukraine goes to the highest bidder. China OWNS CONgress, so they will bid Higher than CONgress to take over Ukraine’s Agriculture.
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:34:17 AM PDT
by
davidb56
To: Kazan
Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan - because Yermak and Zelinski can’t wait to be hung from the nearest light pole.
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:40:07 AM PDT
by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
To: struggle
No, the immediate effect of an imminent Ukrainian military collapse would be Polish intervention to limit the Russian advance, an eventuality long foreseen as possible by Poland's military planners. For all the caterwauling about the Russian invasion of Ukraine being a "border conflict" and "don't poke the bear," for NATO allies Poland and the Baltic Republics, Russian control of Ukraine would be a major threat to their security that has to be averted if at all possible.
To: 2banana
Looks like NATO fought until the last Ukrainian.
—
Funny how you should pick up a line that Putin often repeats.
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posted on
03/22/2023 9:40:56 AM PDT
by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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