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Why Ukraine may embrace China’s peace plan
Asia Times ^ | MARCH 20, 2023 | SPENGLER (David Goldman)

Posted on 03/22/2023 8:45:37 AM PDT by Kazan

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To: struggle
“Yeah, I think if Russia gets a breakout in Lyman, Bakhmut, or Aviiwhatever”

Just wait until the ground is frozen...

21 posted on 03/22/2023 9:44:14 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Rockingham

>Russian control of Ukraine would be a major threat to their security that has to be averted if at all possible.

I don’t see Russia or Poland crossing the Dnieper. I’m guessing that Russia takes the east side and Poland takes the west as a protectorate, while Russia demands no missiles or other materiel of war be placed on the west side of Ukraine.


22 posted on 03/22/2023 9:47:22 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Grzegorz 246

“Just wait until the ground is frozen”

...so next year then? LOL@mightyrussia


23 posted on 03/22/2023 9:51:30 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: struggle

Russia doesn’t get a voice on the NATO council so they can shove their demands right up their Putin.


24 posted on 03/22/2023 9:52:53 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: hinckley buzzard
The most critical aspect of this development is what the author identifies as a catastrophic loss of US influence in the world.

Afganistan didn't help. Globo-homo is definitely a prestige dis-enhancer.

25 posted on 03/22/2023 9:56:35 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: struggle

What’s up with this 19th Century protectorate talk?

Single powers don’t do protectorates anymore, and haven’t for almost 100 years. They do mutual partner alliances at best.

Ukraine will just be a smaller country.


26 posted on 03/22/2023 10:01:43 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: struggle

Quite plausible, except for the part about the west portion of Ukraine being demilitarized. That is the equivalent of the bear saying, “Leave the rest on the table. I will be hungry again soon.”


27 posted on 03/22/2023 10:12:29 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: canuck_conservative

China asserts that their sovereignty and national boundaries are whatever they say they are this week. No doubt that’s what they mean here, too.

Which means China supports Russia’s claim to all of Ukraine and anything else the Russian gangster regime wants to steal.


28 posted on 03/22/2023 10:14:27 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Rdct29

We have no peace plan. We only have a plan to continue the war without end. We don’t know how to offer a peace solution, only war


29 posted on 03/22/2023 10:18:24 AM PDT by realcleanguy (quickly things are falling apart, now that the )
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To: realcleanguy

The US can’t suffer a defeat in Ukraine. If it does, or another country manages to slap the US in the face by bringing this conflict to a closure behind our back, it will be as if a light switch is turned on and the world will finally see the cockroches of the DC swamp and MIC scatter for the vermin they are.


30 posted on 03/22/2023 10:25:00 AM PDT by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Kazan

My only guess at this sudden development is that the nasty, unmannered children running US foreign policy don’t want any responsibility when they ultimately abandon their Ukraine puppets. Anything that occurs can, in the US media, be superficially be blamed on Russia or China.

Perhaps Zelensky knows this too, and is grasping for any available back-up plan rather than simply surrendering to Russia.

Seems childish, but I can’t see any other reason for the USA turning over peace negotiations to China.


31 posted on 03/22/2023 10:26:54 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: hinckley buzzard

In my lifetime, there is NO nation that even comes close to us as being completely untrustworthy. Ask the Vietnamese, the Iranians, the Iraqis, the Israelis... pretty much any nation we have promised stuff to, we have f——ed over after the next election.

If I ran a foreign country, I would get every nickel I could from the bozos running the fedgov and then two years later, when the other guys are calling the shots here and we go back to being hated, keep your mouth shut and wait four years until your buddies are back in power. And hope nothing nasty comes your way while your buddies are on the outs.


32 posted on 03/22/2023 10:33:57 AM PDT by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“”Anthony Blinken told Ukraine they could not allow China to broker a deal. Ukraine ignored him — and us.””

Will you link me to that?


33 posted on 03/22/2023 10:34:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Kazan

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34 posted on 03/22/2023 10:55:08 AM PDT by Firehath
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To: PIF

Did you even read the article?

BTW...Plenty of western analysts say the same.

“Funny how you should pick up a line that Putin often repeats”


35 posted on 03/22/2023 10:56:27 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: Kazan

Well, even tho I have no sympathy for that thug Zylynskyy, imagine looking around and realizing that your biggest supporter is a pedo Pres from the US? Even a piece of CCP trash has to look good.


36 posted on 03/22/2023 11:06:34 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: Kazan

Did the Ukes ever get their artillery repaired?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html


37 posted on 03/22/2023 11:08:39 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: 2banana

It a non-starter for one so why read it? Just more Russian propaganda. If you believe it, then you know nothing of how Ukraine government works other than hit pieces in entertainment news casts.


38 posted on 03/22/2023 11:10:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

So you make random comments on a FR thread in which you didn’t read the source article.

****

“It a non-starter for one so why read it? Just more Russian propaganda. If you believe it, then you know nothing of how Ukraine government works other than hit pieces in entertainment news casts.”


39 posted on 03/22/2023 11:16:37 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: 2banana

Is that any different then your Pro-Russian comments on Ukraine threads?


40 posted on 03/22/2023 11:24:13 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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