Those on FR who use those terms, like your opponent here, are either government or Media stooges, or they believe what their IPhones tell them.
I'm voting for stooge in his case. 
Posted on 04/28/2023 11:36:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I just returned from a trip to Florida, where I had a great visit with my good friend General Flynn. There’s no one who’s been through more than Flynn and his family; they’ve truly been through hell and back. I am honored to call him a friend and stand proudly behind him; he has my complete support. If you talk with the General, you can immediately tell that he would have been incredible as a military leader.
While in the Army, he had almost endless resources, and now that he’s a private citizen fighting for our freedoms, he’s doing the best he can with very little. The cost of fighting is astronomical, and unfortunately, we are up against the likes of George Soros, who has endless money to fund the enemies of freedom. The Soros machine drops tens of millions into lawsuits without hesitation, while our side has been unable to fundraise and fight back at even a fraction of what Soros has in his war chest.
Let me give you an example, to file a legitimate antitrust suit against a major corporation, like Google; it would cost approximately 5-10 million. When the other side is funded to the tune of hundreds of millions or billions, and we have people calling individuals like General Flynn a grifter for raising a few hundred thousand, it becomes impossible to win.
Flynn has tried hard to coordinate patriots across this great nation, and I am grateful for his tireless efforts, but the truth is we need more support. We need to support our patriots in this fight in every way possible, especially now, or our freedom is lost (conservative billionaires – I’m talking to you… we need Soros funding on our side if we want freedom).
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Seems like a big shell game to me.
If this was such a bad pandemic, why do we still have a Social Security crisis? You would think that with all the old people killed by COVID, that our Social Security system would be flush with money right now. But all these old people are still here with us, some of them driving me crazy here at the over 55 community I live in with their endless complaints to the HOA board about dog poop in the common areas, people driving in the parking lot too fast and somebody with a Christmas wreath on their door two weeks past the Jan 15 deadline.
You would think that a pandemic would have wiped out the homeless population, being that they were outside all day without masks and eating scraps of food pulled out of dumpsters. But they not only thrived during this so-called pandemic but they somehow have increased their numbers.
Traffic still sucks. You would think with all the supposed "COVID deaths", that I could at least get around town without getting hung up in slow moving traffic jams everywhere I go. But NO!
Everybody is still here post-pandemic. SURPRISE!
That's exactly what I just posted.
Did you look at the link?
All I know is that we are all still here. Traffic still sucks. It's still more than an hour wait for a table at a decent restaurant on a Saturday night. Too many people on Social Security. People, people, everywhere you go.
Some pandemic that was.
A quick response. I don't reject there are "excess deaths." Some attribute this to Covid-19, and some to Covid-19 protocols such as not getting treatment until being admitted to the hospital or getting "protocol" treatment in hospitals as defined by the CDC, and some attribute this to the "work" of the mRNA injections.
I notice that you skipped past the part about whole nations and governments accepting a premise -- such as Lebensraum and the "virus" of European Jewry -- and so went violently mad for a time.
I also notice you skipped past the mortality rates over these last forty months, in order to bolster your advocacy view.
When one demands others explain "evidence," then the whole picture might be considered. Or not.
You are adept at asking questions. Not so good at revealing your own perspective. Are you pro-mRNA injections? Are you pro-Fauci and Birx?
True enough, but something caused average life expectancy to drop since 2020.
The truth was hidden from him about the dangers
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The truth was hidden from all of us, but even I still knew better.
So that means in the US 1.2 million people died from Covid or from poor treatment for Covid.
...some attribute this to the "work" of the mRNA injections.
Those people are ignoring the more than half a million excess deaths in 2020, before the vaccines were deployed.
I notice that you skipped past the part about whole nations and governments accepting a premise
A premise that seems to have been borne out by the excess death data.
I also notice you skipped past the mortality rates over these last forty months, in order to bolster your advocacy view.
I never questioned the mortality rate. What difference does it make if we still have over a million dead Americans?
Not so good at revealing your own perspective. Are you pro-mRNA injections? Are you pro-Fauci and Birx?
This isn't a sporting event and I'm not rooting for a team.
The data say the mRNA vaccines were very effective in preventing serious disease and death but they're far from perfect.
As for Fauci and Birx, I think that in retrospect they made some flawed decisions but were operating in good faith.
Thank you for proving my point. Your advocacy of government is exemplary.
Among flaws in the decisions, another FR thread suggests: "Report 69: BOMBSHELL – Pfizer and FDA Knew in Early 2021 That Pfizer mRNA COVID “Vaccine” Caused Dire Fetal and Infant Risks, Including Death. They Began an Aggressive Campaign to Vaccinate Pregnant Women Anyway."
Source: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4149485/posts Source: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4149473/posts
For you likely not having read the document (link to the 2020 WHO PDF), I will add this. "A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death." Did we notice influenza disappeared as a stat for some time? Ditto pneumonia and other respiratory ailments? "Compatible illness" and voilà Covid stat....
And so, like Pelosi declaring Trump had to prove himself 'Innocent," an inversion of our rights, the WHO inverted the game. Prove it's not.... Pretty clever game.
You assert, "So that means in the US 1.2 million people died from Covid or from poor treatment for Covid." Yes, indeed. Many were denied alternative medical treatments, with some medications banned outright by the CDC/FDA in order to support the EUA, and many died from those now famous "co-morbidities," and then the 16 April 2020 methods were applied. We can discuss also the percentages of damage from kidney-impairing remdesivir, which apparently was part of Fauci's "gold standard" as he operated "in good faith." Odd that deaths due to Covid-19 in the US were documented as for times higher -- with all that "good faith" -- as many other nations in the world, particularly the third world generally outside the reach of "good faith."
And the check is in the mail. In good faith. Really....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacomotognini/2021/04/06/meet-the-40-new-billionaires-who-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/?sh=3e9ec49117e5
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4129289/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4149473/posts
Skepticism about vast conspiracy theories isn't advocacy of government.
Among flaws in the decisions, another FR thread suggests:
That article represents a very poor understanding of adverse event data or dishonesty. Given the consistency with which Naomi misrepresents the data I suspect the latter.
Specifically, the article states:
"It reveals that Pfizer and the FDA knew in early 2021 that Pfizer’s mRNA COVID vaccine, BNT162b2, resulted in:"
But that's not true. Adverse events are ones that occur subsequent to a vaccination but are not assumed to be the result of the vaccination.
At least not by honest people.
In the case of a trial the adverse events are evaluated to see if they are occurring more frequently than one would expect in the population and events of concern are followed up on to see if there's a probable tie to the vaccine.
What the Daily Clout author fails to do is tie any of the events to the vaccines or to show the events are happening at a higher rate than in a similar unvaccinated population.
Adverse event data abuse is rampant among anti-vaxers and it's just stupid.
Did we notice influenza disappeared as a stat for some time?
Yes, we did, and given that we have extremely fast and simple antigen tests for influenza we can be confident that the disease really did disappear. (As an aside, my FIL got influenza B in late 2020 and was one of fewer than 100 recorded cases in my state.)
Yes, indeed. Many were denied alternative medical treatments, with some medications banned outright by the CDC/FDA in order to support the EUA, and many died from those now famous "co-morbidities," and then the 16 April 2020 methods were applied. We can discuss also the percentages of damage from kidney-impairing remdesivir, which apparently was part of Fauci's "gold standard" as he operated "in good faith."
The point is, we had over a million deaths in the US where Covid was the proximate cause.
...deaths due to Covid-19 in the US were documented as for times higher -- with all that "good faith" -- as many other nations in the world, particularly the third world generally outside the reach of "good faith."
Many were also outside the reach of effective public health surveillance. Based on excess death data global Covid deaths were vastly underreported.
Note that in the US the excess deaths very closely match the recorded Covid deaths.
"Vast conspiracy theories." One of my favorite phrases, often used by Democrats.
"Vastly undereported." Well, dang. Can't trust the official data, eh?
But official data, not estimates from Nature magazine, suggest something else.
( 1,159,833 deaths in USA / 6,863,757 deaths worldwide ) x 100 = 16.9 percent of all Covid deaths worldwide in a population 4.19 percent of world population.
( USA population 336,553,188 / world population 8,030,498,005 ) x 100 = 4.19 percent of world population.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The "warp speed" mRNA. first world response to the WHO's declaration of a pandemic resulted in slightly over four times the deaths in the United States compared to most other nations and other populations.
Notice: I showed my arithmetic and sources.
Yeah, it's probably been an under-reported "event" brought to us by Moderna and Pfizer-BioTech. Skeptical of official data. Skeptical of basic arithmetic. Trusting of "estimates" and denigrating those who disagree with you by trotting out vocabulary such as "vast conspiracy" the characterize opposition to your advocacy reminds me of someone. A Democrat who ran against and lost toTrump some years back. Hmm.
Yes. Clearly a liberal word that would never be used by a Republican.
"Vast conspiracy theories." One of my favorite phrases, often used by Democrats.
You say the CDC and the Gates Foundation are purposely misrepresenting the numbers, which means that the states and healthcare systems providing the data are as well.
That's a massive conspiracy. Own it.
"Vastly undereported." Well, dang. Can't trust the official data, eh?
In Bangladesh and the DRC? Probably not.
In the US much more so.
That's why we look at the excess death data.
( 1,159,833 deaths in USA / 6,863,757 deaths worldwide ) x 100 = 16.9 percent of all Covid deaths worldwide in a population 4.19 percent of world population.
You omitted a key word. There were 6.8M reported Covid deaths. The best evidence we have says the true number is multiples of that.
The "warp speed" mRNA. first world response to the WHO's declaration of a pandemic resulted in slightly over four times the deaths in the United States compared to most other nations and other populations.
Repeating the same out-of-context information isn't persuasive. We have good evidence that global Covid deaths were underreported.
Notice: I showed my arithmetic and sources.
And ignored the critical excess death data.
Your entire repertoire consists of discarding any evidence that doesn't back your narrative.
You don't accept the numbers on hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated but of course don't offer any of your own. You don't believe, or ignore, the data on global excess deaths yet don't offer any of your own.
I guess that in your mind you never lose a debate but in the real world it's tiresome.
Those on FR who use those terms, like your opponent here, are either government or Media stooges, or they believe what their IPhones tell them.
I'm voting for stooge in his case.
The largest for me was/is that the US, under Fauci and Birx and the CDC, managed four times the death rate of many third world countries. Dismissed with a wave in the hand, and yet we four percent of the world's population suffered almost seventeen percent of the world's official deaths. Official, as in CDC / WHO / Johns Hopkins and so on. How would a Democrat like those leading inner cities into chaos deal with that glaring anomaly? Ignore it. Call it evidence of a conspiracy whack. Declare the debate won by fiat. Acting as both judge and jury is the province of the administrative state, of technocrats and -- well -- most Democrats and some RINOs.
Best wishes.
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