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UKRAINE CLAIM OF ATTACK ON RUSSIAN SHIP, THE IVAN KHURS, DEBUNKED
Sonar 21 ^ | 26 May 23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 05/27/2023 5:23:29 AM PDT by delta7

Let’s give the Ukrainian Government of Volodomyr Zelensky credit for one thing — they are world class liars. Yesterday I wrote about the attempted attack on the Russian ship, the Ivan Khurs, by three maritime drones and simply acknowledged that there was a video that claimed to show one of the drones hitting a ship. It was implied that the ship was the Ivan Khurs but there was no identifying information to corroborate the claim.

Today we know the truth. Ukraine lied. The Ivan Khurs pulled into port in the Black Sea on its own power with no visible damage.

This is a consistent pattern for Ukraine. Remember the Ghost of Kiev? That intrepid Ukrainian ace that allegedly shot down six Russian combat aircraft during the first month of the Special Military Operation? Turns out that was footage lifted from a video game and most of the Western media, not to mention several gullible politicians, gobbled up the lie and exulted over Ukraine’s faux victory.

Normally a person or institution regularly exposed as a prevaricator would be denounced and ignored. But not Ukraine. Zelensky and company insisted a year ago that Russia had not taken Mariupol despite conclusive video evidence of the remnants of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi AZOV battalion surrendering to the Russian Chechens as they limped out of the Azovstal steel plant.

Rinse and repeat with Bakhmut. Russia’s Wagner Group was busy hoisting victory flags over the fallen city while Ukrainian political and military leaders continued to insist that their boys were still in the fight. Nope, they were dead, captured or retreating. It was only today that a Ukrainian official, ex-Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, finally conceded that Bakhmut was kaput.

The lies and self-delusion are not restricted to Ukraine. In the United States a bi-partisan group of legislators called on Dementia Joe to send Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) to Ukraine:

Yesterday, members of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, also known as the U.S. Helsinki Commission, Chairman Representative Joe Wilson (SC-02), Ranking Member Representative Steve Cohen (TN-09) and Commissioner Representative Victoria Spartz (IN-05) sent a letter to President Biden, requesting he grants the transfer of MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) to Ukraine.

In the letter, Commissioners thank the Administration for its beginning steps on getting F-16s to Ukrainian defenders and emphasize the importance of ATACMS on targeting Russian frontlines in occupied Ukraine as well as pushing back Russian supply chain systems which fuel their genocidal war. During the Commissioners’ recent trip to Ukraine and meeting with President Zelensky, ATACMS were requested for an immediate battlefield advantage. These powerful weapons could provide the advantage Ukraine needs to secure its freedom, and the only remaining hurdle to their delivery is the President’s approval. This should put Russia and China on notice that it is not just Joe Biden and his inept National Security team that are intent on escalating the war in Ukraine. There also is a vocal, bipartisan group of legislators who are pressing to expand the war and are oblivious to the risk inherent in their proposal of Russian retaliation. The Washington Establishment is still willing to bet the lives of Ukrainians on their illusory vision that Russia is teetering towards defeat and their belief that Ukraine is just one Wunderwaffen miracle weapon from total victory.

I am sad to report to those of you who live outside of the Untied States that most Americans are clueless about the implications of the United States apparent strategy of escalation. Most assume that if Russia can bomb Ukrainian cities then fair play dictates that Ukraine should be able to do the same. The point they miss is that Ukraine is incapable of such attacks without the help of the United States and other NATO countries. Increasing Ukraine’s ability to strike further inside Russian territory will inevitably lead Russia to retaliate against those responsible for making those attacks possible. That means an inevitable clash with NATO. I believe that the United States should be doing everything in its power to avoid that. But it is doing the exact opposite and the potential for something terrible looms larger with each passing day.


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Everyone knows this, but like Biden’s corruption does nothing about it. It is getting clearer everyday, the Ukies are toast- and it is now expected Biden’s administration will escalate this conflict to the great peril of America.

The “ end” will not be good for Senile Joe and America, “ broke, busted, and disgusted”.

1 posted on 05/27/2023 5:23:29 AM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

The Zelensky bots here are insufferable in their dishonesty. He might be more corrupt than Putin yet his fans are nonstop spreading lies.


2 posted on 05/27/2023 5:25:39 AM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: MTBobcat

What we have is a massive government and media campaign of lies, just like Biden’s covid campaign- mandates, shut downs, masks- designed to harm America through fear and play on emotions. Americans were fooled the first time around, Biden’s Ukie war appears to be the second time.

When do Americans wake up from their slumber?


3 posted on 05/27/2023 5:32:55 AM PDT by delta7
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To: MTBobcat

Of course Zelensky is corrupt. Ukraine has always been corrupt and will always remain corrupt while East and West compete over pulling Ukraine’s strings.

This war is NOT about Ukraine’s independence or sovreignty.
This war is about who get to grift more from Ukraine than the other.

The Ukrainian people do not matter to either side. Only weak-minded fools believe this is about the Ukrainian people.

I am sponsoring a Ukrainian refugee from Mariupol. I have seen the pictures myself and heard the stories. Nobody gives a crap about the people.

The refugee programs are all being grifted to benefit westerners connected to the political elite.


4 posted on 05/27/2023 5:33:02 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: delta7

All these provocations are being done with the tacit approval of the United States.


5 posted on 05/27/2023 5:34:55 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: delta7

And they attacked a Russian ship in Turkish waters protecting gas pipelines and grain ships...

Yes, NATO, you are the baddies.


6 posted on 05/27/2023 5:38:47 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: delta7

Why do you HATE America? If you loved America, you would support everything that Biden’s people do like us Ukraine Bots do, including trying to start World War 3.

We need less treason in this country and more war...because Biden’s people are saying it.


7 posted on 05/27/2023 5:39:11 AM PDT by BobL
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To: delta7

What HAVEN’T the Ukes lied about over the course of this conflict?


8 posted on 05/27/2023 6:04:52 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: delta7

We have no business being in Ukraine.

In fact, we have no business being in Europe or Africa or in the middle -east or Asia or S. America or Central America.

We have no business being the world police. Let things happen naturally. If people want to kill each other, let them.

Let’s pull back and mind our own business. And get rid of the UN, a useless organization.

Let’s just spend all our money on our needs only and hope that nobody messes with us.


9 posted on 05/27/2023 6:06:26 AM PDT by adorno
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To: delta7

“Let’s give the Ukrainian Government of Volodomyr Zelensky credit for one thing — they are world class liars.”

FINALLY! Finally commentary on the Uke war I can believe.


10 posted on 05/27/2023 6:09:57 AM PDT by redfreedom (You can vote your way into socialism, but you may have to shoot your way out.)
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To: delta7
Safe and sound “Ivan Khurs” returned to Sevastopol

https://www.easternherald.com/2023/05/27/safe-and-sound-ivan-khurs-returned-to-sevastopol/

11 posted on 05/27/2023 6:11:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: delta7
the article said”Wunderwaffen miracle weapon”

If the Ukraine gets their hands on the dreaded Wunderwaffen miracle weapon , will they stop with only Russia?
What would stop them from going for total world domination?
Does anyone have a Wunderwaffen miracle weapon defense system?
Is our military industrial complex working on a counter measure to the Wunderwaffen miracle weapon?
Have we had a Wunderwaffen miracle weapon summit?
Do we have a Wunderwaffen miracle weapon treaty?
....
ya know ... I'm afraid , sooner or later some body is going to get pissed off and push that button. ..yup THAT button.

12 posted on 05/27/2023 6:12:24 AM PDT by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: delta7
The Ukes are two for two.

Russia destroys hospital in latest missile attack

13 posted on 05/27/2023 6:17:07 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: delta7

I’m pretty sure FJB has already filled in his boy Zelenskyyy about how Americans are a pretty ignorant bunch and will believe anything you tell them.


14 posted on 05/27/2023 6:43:33 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Since O'Bama was ruling the roost, America has gone from melting pot to septic tank of the world.)
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To: delta7
Bakhmut was the most successful military trap in history. It destroyed the NATO trained Ukrainian army

Col Douglas Macgregor

15 posted on 05/27/2023 6:45:00 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ Free kiryandil )
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To: delta7

Just the other day I posted how much we are told about Ukraine is a lie. A Ukraine supporter here responded with a blast of mainstream media reports of Ukraine success and Russian failure. He just could not grasp that much if not all was likely propoganda with little basis in fact. Just as this article proves Ukraine was full of BS in this account.


16 posted on 05/27/2023 7:41:50 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: delta7
Everyone knows this, but like Biden’s corruption does nothing about it. It is getting clearer everyday, the Ukies are toast- and it is now expected Biden’s administration will escalate this conflict to the great peril of America.

Well put. You're absolutely correct.

The proxy war in Ukraine is nothing more than modern-day imperialism being fought for our polite elite and oligarchs. Their greed is endangering the rest of us.

17 posted on 05/27/2023 8:35:14 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Erik Latranyi
This war is NOT about Ukraine’s independence or sovreignty. This war is about who get to grift more from Ukraine than the other.

Then, you should be furious at Ron DeSantis for flip flopping on the war and siding with the grifters.

18 posted on 05/27/2023 8:37:56 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: McGruff
That's been debunked! Maxi told me that was from 2 years ago.

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https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4155816/posts?page=19#19

19 posted on 05/27/2023 8:48:20 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: delta7
Here is one where the point of contact supposedly happened.

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20 posted on 05/27/2023 8:58:49 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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