Posted on 12/10/2023 10:42:38 AM PST by Mariner
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia since previous aid has yet to end the war.
“What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict, the thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”
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“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”
“So what we’re saying to the president and really to the entire world is you need to articulate what the ambition is, what is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn’t,” he added.
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You don’t think America can walk and chew gum at the same time. Guess you’ve grown tired of winning.
Shut up. We all know you are a Ukie propagandist.Joe ought to give you a raise since you apparently work weekends. JD Vance speaks the truth.
Lol, “grown tired?” Kind of hard to do that if you can’t remember “winning.”
Nothing new here. Just more populist pablum spoon fed to the intellectually challenged by a swamp operator covering his six after a rough primary.
“Historically, aggression usually pays.”
We change history. What other country treated those it defeated the way we treated Germany, Italy and Japan?
When the Berlin Wall fell, and we moved the borders of NATO eastward, what happened to Poland, Romania, etc.? Did they suffer, or did they blossom into thriving democracies?
Today, the democracies of the world totally dominate the authoritarians in terms of people and esp. in terms of GDP. We have our problems (and, actually, we will always have problems), but we should be confident of our ability to defend ourselves.
Yep, you have grown tired of winning. When you say we should take care of domestic problems first before tackling foreign problems, this is just a facade because you don’t think America will fix its domestic problems. Either you are or have become totally negative or your real priority is to enable Hamas, Iran, China, Putin, and/or Venezuela to win.
You made the claim, kid: Post your evidence.
Opinions are one thing; but you did not opine; you claimed.
Support your claim.
“We change history.”
100 years of world domination is but a flash in the pan.
Exactly! How did we in USA become the sap with less expected to pay more for Ukraine.
Lol, “tackling foreign problems.”
We dominate the world in the sense that we can defend ourselves.
During WWII, we didn’t invade, but defended ourselves once we were invaded at Pearl Harbor.
In contrast, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany agreed how to carve up eastern Europe, and started the war in Europe by invading Poland.
After WWII, the countries in our zone were reorganized as democracies. They joined us in free alliance.
You, on the other hand, invaded Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland and Romania to keep them as your vassal states.
Now, your great leader has conquered South Ossetia and Abkazia, a total of 300,000 people, and is in a war to hold onto eastern Ukraine and Crimea, the outcome of which isn’t clear.
And you think these conquests rank Putin with Catherine the Great and Napoleon.
What a laugh!
You didn’t survive Gorbachev and his war in Afghanistan. We will survive Biden, but will you survive Putin?
Yes, Russia celebrated a thousand years of history in 1862, dating the beginning of Russia to Rurik.
We, in contrast, date our beginning in 1776. So, we are a bit younger.
We completed our “Manifest Destiny,” expanding coast to coast, with the treaty ending the Mexican-American War of 1846-1848, and a treaty with Great Britain establishing the border between the U.S. and Canada in the west at the 49th parallel in 1846.
So, we accomplished in about 75 years, what you took about 800 years to accomplish, namely to expand across a continent to reach the Pacific Ocean.
So, we did it a bit more than ten times as fast.
Same thing with science. You have 30 Nobel Prize winners. Very good! We, the U.S., have 411.
Again, we have about ten times as many.
Not the same thing in economics. You have GDP per capita of $12,200. Almost as high as China. Very good!
We have GDP per capita of $70,000. Only about six times greater. Not ten times better.
So, it is very sneaky smart of you to have a country where people don’t have so many children, and even to send your men to die by the hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, to improve GDP per capita. Otherwise, your number might be only one-tenth of our number.
“So, we accomplished in about 75 years, what you took about 800 years to accomplish”
But you are a disingenuous idiot.
I am an honorably discharged US veteran. I have a signed letter from Ronald Reagan thanking me for my service on a special mission.
And you’re accusing me of being a Russian.
Never post to me again.
Including Obama, who received one before he did anything.
"Nobel prize for what? Packin' Fudge?" -Tony Soprano
Yanukovich started a crisis by rejecting EU membership, which most Ukrainians wanted, and they protested, which they were entitled to do. After killing protestors, Yanukovich, a violent coward, then panicked and fled the country. After Yanukovich fled Putin broke the 1997 treaty and invaded Ukraine. Putin was 100% responsible for starting a war, both in 2014 and 2022. The USA meddled in Ukrainian politics, but we did not force Yanukovich and Putin to do what they did. Those are just the usual Kremlin lies.
You said....”The USA meddled in Ukrainian politics”.....
Well they did far more than just meddle in Ukraines business/politics. They were running the show...and they still are.
Thank you for your service.
Perhaps you meant “100 years of domination” in a good way. Perhaps you agree with Ronald Reagan, that the best days of America are yet to come.
If we are going to nit pick individual Nobel Prize winners, let us do the same to the Russian winners. Six of the 30 were persecuted by Russia or left Russia at a young age. So, maybe, the real number is 24. Imagine how much more the world would be blessed by Russian genius and expression were Russia a free country.
Dmitry Muratov, peace prize, for promoting freedom of the press in Russia at a time 4,000 journalists were being arrested
Joseph Brodsky, literature, after being expelled from the Soviet Union
Ilya Prigogine, chemistry, his family, Russian Jews, left Russia when he was a boy
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, literature, author of A Day in the life of Ivan Denisovich and The Gulag Archipelago, was expelled from the Soviet Union
Boris Pasternak, literature, his greatest work - Doctor Zhivago - was published in the west and was banned in Russia
Selman Waksman, medicine, a Russian Jew, he migrated from Russia after finishing high school.
So you agree the Nobel Prize laureates are not all deserving. Maybe it’s more political than you think. The US does have some brilliant thinkers, but you suggested the the number of winners of that award proves something. Does that mean you believe that California is superior to red states?
To compare California to other states: Yes, I would include the genius, cultural expression, creativity and entrepreneurship of the gifted among us. But, I would also consider how well the state works for the masses of ordinary people.
In my original post, I mentioned both GDP per capita and number of Nobel prizes, in addition to the time to expand across a continent to the Pacific Ocean.
There is no denying the greatness of either Russia or the United States in terms of expanse, natural beauty, and wealth in minerals and agricultural potential. The same thing could be said of California, a truly beautiful state. But, California is on the decline, and middle-class people are leaving. Even more so, Russia has suffered from centuries of authoritarian rule under one or another form of government.
As to the quirkiness of the Nobel Prize: there is more in the peace prize than in the science prizes. The literature prize is in-between. Why Trump didn’t get a Nobel Peace Prize for his initiatives in extending peace in the Middle East between Israel and the Sunni Arabs, and in Kosovo, I can’t figure.
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