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Hamas, running scared, briefly floated the idea of recognizing Israel
American Thinker ^ | 12/13/2023 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 12/14/2023 6:59:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Al-Monitor, a D.C.-based website that reports on the Middle East, reports that a senior Hamas official announced (although he later walked back) that the terrorist group is open to recognizing Israel. In the same vein, I’d like to announce that I have an absolutely lovely, historic bridge to sell you…you know, the one connecting Brooklyn to Manhattan. In other words, if Israel believes this kind of talk, more fool her.

Currently, Israel is ascendent on the battlefield in Gaza, having killed at least 5,000-plus Hamas fighters (think of it as having killed at least 5,000-plus Nazis), with the remainder starting to surrender in droves, leaving behind the “hospitals” that were among their operational bases (with others located in schools, houses of worship, etc.):

70 armored Hamas terrorists just walked out of the "Kamal Adwan" Hospital in Gaza and surrendered to our forces.

You read that correctly. They left the hospital, which they were using as a command center, (and the patients which they were using as human shields), to surrender.


pic.twitter.com/0Tau2zS95N — Rachel Gur (@RachelGur) December 14, 2023

Militarily, Hamas is not doing well. That fact has prompted it to float the idea of a backdoor recognition of Israel:

A senior Hamas official suggested the Gaza-based militant group would recognize Israel as a step toward ending the long-running divisions between the Palestinian factions.  

Speaking to Al-Monitor in his Doha office on Monday, Mousa Abu Marzouk struck a careful tone on Israel some two months after his group carried out the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust.  

If you read further into the article, though, what you discover is that Hamas is talking about becoming a part of the PLO.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Gaza; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel
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To: Fungi

“ An epileptic phony prophet whose only goals was theft, hatred of the Jews, money, and women he
could rape.”

I don’t think he existed in the first place. Is there any 7th century that he did??

Cue up Christian researchers Jay Smith and Al Fadi.


21 posted on 12/14/2023 7:41:36 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing Muslims understand is power. Israel, utterly and completely destroy these scumbags. They will see you as weak if you stop now. Destroy them, keep up the fire!


22 posted on 12/14/2023 7:42:33 PM PST by vpintheak (Pinko misanthrope)
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To: WKUHilltopper

“I understand Israel is flooding the tunnels.”

They flooded tunnels in the al Shati neighborhood of Gaza City (NW, near the Ocean front). Several High Value Targets (Bosses) had big houses there, with Ocean views, and they had a dense network of tunnels underneath, with some command posts.

The proximity to the Ocean made running flexi-pipe more feasible, and they brought in five huge pumps, that could move an olympic swimming pool’s worth of water, every few minutes.

It definitely flushed folks out pretty quickly, and can safely disable some booby traps as well.

I don’t think that other tunnels are as amenable to flooding, away from the Ocean, but there are other ways to clear tunnels, and several are reportedly being used. Smoke, fire, explosives, drones, and “sponge bombs” that rapidly fill the place with a foam that hardens; are other options.


23 posted on 12/14/2023 7:48:44 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: Jonty30

Give them all trials then hang ‘em...


24 posted on 12/14/2023 7:55:56 PM PST by GOPJ (Gutfeld: we 'get the jokes' but sometimes we're caught up with what you're saying -it's a compliment)
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To: know.your.why

“”Radio news report today said that fully two out of three of ALL buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed by airstrikes and in the last 24 hours 250 buildings were hit” “

Well.......much of the concrete and other building materials were donated to the poor Gazans by Israel. Hamas also used it to build tunnels. If anyone left in Gaza wants to build (above ground) after Israel is done, ask the Hamas billionaires for a loan.


25 posted on 12/14/2023 8:16:36 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: BeauBo

“I don’t think that other tunnels are as amenable to flooding, away from the Ocean, but there are other ways to clear tunnels, and several are reportedly being used. Smoke, fire, explosives, drones, and “sponge bombs” that rapidly fill the place with a foam that hardens; are other options.”

My idea was build a low wall surrounding the area using concrete Jersey barriers, seal the gap, and start pumping seawater in creating a shallow artificial lake. Guarantees every tunnel will be flooded. People can still get around somewhat, and they can drain it by opening a gap.


26 posted on 12/14/2023 8:36:54 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: BeauBo

I have no idea of the size of an Olympic swimming pool.

Better example needed.


27 posted on 12/14/2023 9:18:13 PM PST by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump. )
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To: HIDEK6
"an Olympic swimming pool" (every few minutes)

50 meters by eight lanes wide. About 2/3rds of a million gallons

28 posted on 12/14/2023 9:25:17 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: HIDEK6

New Orleans has pumps that move over 100,000 gallons per SECOND.


29 posted on 12/14/2023 9:25:21 PM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: HIDEK6
An Olympic swimming pool holds enough water for more than a half mile of this kind of tunnel (every few minutes, or a few miles per hour):

In addition to such connector tunnels, the Gaza "Metro" network has larger underground rooms of many types, and their will be some drainage rate.

30 posted on 12/14/2023 9:35:37 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

50 meters x 8 lanes helps. How wide is a lane and how deep is the pool?


31 posted on 12/14/2023 9:47:08 PM PST by HIDEK6 (God bless Donald Trump. )
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To: HIDEK6

32 posted on 12/14/2023 9:51:55 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: SeekAndFind

If an entity is killing your soldiers, destroying your political infrastructure and occupying your territory, you are delusional not to recognize that entity and acknowledge its nature.


33 posted on 12/14/2023 9:53:00 PM PST by allendale
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To: HIDEK6

The pool itself is actually ten lanes, because the two on the edges are not used by the swimmers.


34 posted on 12/14/2023 9:54:12 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks, good to to read the whole thing. Those guys that surrendered will be traded for the Israeli hostages and be free to fight again.


35 posted on 12/14/2023 9:59:45 PM PST by Rusty0604 (W looking for new conspiracy theories as all the old ones have come true)
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To: HIDEK6; jjotto

Images of the flexi-pipes (like giant firehoses, a foot across) being installed on the beach, and connected to the pumps as they turn on the valves, can be seen here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12833151/Images-Israel-preparing-flood-Hamas-tunnels-sea-water.html


36 posted on 12/14/2023 10:06:01 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: SeekAndFind
"I recognize that this orange exists!"

Just as meaningless.

37 posted on 12/14/2023 10:08:25 PM PST by montag813
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Israel won’t. Biden and Democrats will.

That’s who it was said for.


38 posted on 12/14/2023 10:33:46 PM PST by cableguymn
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To: SeekAndFind

Kill them. That will solve the problem once and for all.


39 posted on 12/15/2023 12:14:19 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures a)
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To: Jonty30

The Arabic/Islamist term is called “HUDNA”.

The West mistakenly interprets it as a ceasefire.

The Arab world understands it as a temporary halt to hostilities so their enemy (us) lets down its guard buying them time to regroup, rearm and then attack at their advantage.


40 posted on 12/15/2023 12:43:54 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.i)
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