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Thousands of wealthy Californians are fleeing to celeb haven dubbed the 'Beverly Hills of Arizona', where homes cost as much as $75 MILLION, to escape soaring crime and high taxes
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 17 2024 | ISABELLE STANLEY

Posted on 02/17/2024 11:23:10 AM PST by knighthawk

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To: Jeff Chandler

Yuppers...
110 ยฐ in the shade——
On a good day!


41 posted on 02/17/2024 12:04:10 PM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: SMM48

One turd can ruin a swimming pool. What do tens of thousands do? Check Colorado.


42 posted on 02/17/2024 12:04:38 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Isabelle can’t spell Scottsdale, either.


43 posted on 02/17/2024 12:05:24 PM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Jeff Chandler

“With 300 sunshine days a year...”

It’s hot as hell too.


44 posted on 02/17/2024 12:07:34 PM PST by Luke21
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I voted for Kari——
She got “Trumped”


45 posted on 02/17/2024 12:07:37 PM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Jonny7797

Same thing in Reno. No one was supposed to move here after us. WRONG! ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘


46 posted on 02/17/2024 12:09:51 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this๐Ÿ’ฉ? ๐Ÿšซ๐Ÿ’‰! ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‘!)
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To: Bonemaker

Nope, that’s too high elevation, hence winters too cold for me in Flagstaff.


47 posted on 02/17/2024 12:10:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I actually don’t mind the summer heat, as long as I don’t have to work in it. A little shade and a cool beverage and I’m fine. I absolutely LOVE the monsoon skies: dark blue with puffy white clouds.

The traffic thins out in the summer and I spend my mornings up at the local rivers and lakes with the grandchildren. We go fishing, tubing, kayaking, and occasionally snorkeling. The local firing ranges are nearly empty in the summer, too.

We also make a few trips to go hiking up in the cool forests of Payson or Pinetop, and spend a week in La Jolla snorkeling and body surfing. Before you know it, summer is over.


48 posted on 02/17/2024 12:13:30 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That’s similar to my summer plan here. Wouldn’t trade it for anywhere else. :)


49 posted on 02/17/2024 12:19:27 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: knighthawk
Even with tons of money, people can still have bad taste. IMHO, this is hideous:


50 posted on 02/17/2024 12:20:43 PM PST by Michael.SF. (There is only one reason why I will ever vote for a Republican: Democrats)
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To: knighthawk

Most film people don’t make big bucks. The great majority of SAG-AFTRA members, for example, don’t even make enough to qualify for union heath insurance. The elite get most of the press attention, but most of the working actors have other jobs, often casual jobs that give them a lot of flexibility when they do get a gig. Etc., etc., etc.

So: for the A-listers who can afford more than one home, what are California’s laws on declaring an out of state address as a primary residence? Does Cali try to track how many days a person is actually in Cali? Does it track where a person actually works? That could be huge since movies get made all over the place.

For those not in the big bucks range, what is possible if someone owns a house in California but has a plausible anchor address elsewhere? In the age of zoom meetings, people aren’t as tied to place as they used to be. I imagine it is still useful to be on the scene for casual networking, but as the industry gradually (rapidly) continues to disperse, at some point the Southern California critical mass will dwindle in importance.

New York has always been the secondary hub of the U.S. film industry, but you don’t have to live in NYC tax hell to have access to that. Similarly, you can live in Las Vegas or Phoenix or various other places in Nevada, Arizona, or the desert and mountain west and be within relatively easy range. Nashville has a lot of film celebrities — it always has had a lot of celebs because of the country music nexus — and Nashville seems to keep things very much on the QT. Atlanta is emerging as a major hub. There are probably other clusters forming elsewhere — as is happening in tech, which is another industry that will probably desert California at some point. There is no reason except stupidity and inertia for major tech companies to stay in Silicon Valley, and the leakage has been going on for some time.

So what, exactly, does California tax? Property taxes can’t be avoided, but as for income taxes, does Cali tax a pro rata share based on days in residence? Days actually worked in state? Does Cali require movie people to wear ankle tags to trace their movements?


51 posted on 02/17/2024 12:21:43 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Jim W N

“Paradise Valley is a nice place...
...except in the summer when it is like a furnace.”

They have really good AC and cabins in northern AZ. And they don’t have outdoor jobs lol


52 posted on 02/17/2024 12:23:23 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Moltke

“Stevie Knicks? Who be dat?”

A power forward for the NY Knicks who has a songwriting hobby.


53 posted on 02/17/2024 12:24:37 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s not quite as dry as it was when I moved here 30 years ago, but single-digit humidity (except for monsoon season) is still common.


54 posted on 02/17/2024 12:27:31 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Jonny7797

Are you suggesting the pools in AZ make the climate humid?

Stop it...thatโ€™s like saying CO2 causes warming.


Yep...single-digit humidity is still common.


55 posted on 02/17/2024 12:29:12 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: knighthawk
We moved to AZ. twelve years ago from the SF bay area. We now live a short walk from Paradise Valley. Some comments regarding AZ:

1) We were surprised at how quickly we acclimated to the heat. 90-95 degree days are not bothersome.

2) Super hot days (115-120), are not very common, maybe 10-14 days out of the year.

3) This time of year (from Jan to March) average high temps are in the high 60's to mid 70's. occasionally in the 80's.

4) I personally know 14 CA transplants, all of us voted for Trump and Kari Lake.

5) regarding this 120 degree days? We do have air conditioning. Just like those who live in snow country, we stay indoors during severe days, be it 120 or O degree days.

56 posted on 02/17/2024 12:30:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. (There is only one reason why I will ever vote for a Republican: Democrats)
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To: Jeff Chandler

As I’m a bit older now and really prefer not being in a cold/snowy environment. It snows where I am but when it does it’s gone in 1 or 2 days. I could never live in the low desert, (Phoenix area) too hot in summer...So we picked an elevation between 4k and 5k. It gets a bit cold in winter, but very doable...Weather is everything to me...Especially being a S.CA native. So the elevation had to be right. We have more outdoor stuff to do here than I ever had in S.CA. Off roading close by, no more driving 2+ hours just to go off-roading, kayaking, target shooting etc. There are 5 lakes in the pines within 20 minute drive, great fishing etc....I feel very fortunate to land where we did after years of planning our escape from S.CA.


57 posted on 02/17/2024 12:30:46 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Moltke

Apparently she likes playing on the Arizona Suns’ home court.


58 posted on 02/17/2024 12:32:13 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: knighthawk

Oh crap. Going to turn Arizona into Colorado.


59 posted on 02/17/2024 12:32:30 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (We used to be a Republic, we are now a Fascist Klepto-Thugocracy.)
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To: knighthawk

...where they will promptly demand all of the same policies, laws, and Socialism that they fled.


60 posted on 02/17/2024 12:32:34 PM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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