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Shooting Down 11 Jets In 11 Days, Ukraine Nudges The Russian Air Force Closer To Organizational Death-Spiral
Forbes ^ | Feb 29, 2024,03:13am EST | David Axe

Posted on 03/01/2024 11:44:02 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

The Russian air force lost another Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber on Thursday, the Ukrainian air force claimed. If confirmed, the Thursday shoot-down would extend an unprecedented hot streak for Ukrainian air-defenses.

The Ukrainian claim they’ve shot down 11 Russian planes in 11 days: eight Su-34s, two Sukhoi Su-35 fighters and a rare Beriev A-50 radar plane.

But those 11 claimed losses are worse than they might seem for the increasingly stressed Russian air force. In theory, the air arm has plenty more planes. In practice, the service is dangerously close to collapse.

Exactly how the Ukrainians are shooting down so many jets is unclear. It’s possible the Ukrainian air force has assigned some of its American-made Patriot missile launchers to mobile air-defense groups that move quickly in close proximity to the 600-mile front line of Russia’s two-year wider war on Ukraine, ambushing Russian jets with 90-mile-range PAC-2 missiles then swiftly relocating to avoid counterattack.

But the distance at which the Ukrainians shot down that A-50 on Friday—120 miles or so—hints that a longer-range missile system was involved. Perhaps a Cold War-vintage S-200 that the Ukrainian air force pulled out of long-term storage.

It also is apparent the Ukrainians have moved some of their two-dozen or so 25-mile-range NASAMS surface-to-air missile batteries closer to the front line. After all, the Russians found—and destroyed with a missile—their first NASAMS launcher near the southern city of Zaporizhzhia on or before Monday.

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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Gosh - if all your posts about how the Ukraine is mopping the floor with Russia were true - the Ukraine doesn’t need out help and has obviously already won...


21 posted on 03/02/2024 4:05:34 AM PST by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: House Atreides
--- "...actually posting on the earlier duplicate posting. Not only was this duplicate post intentional it’s also malevolent, IMHO."

For any wishing to verify this, here are hotlinks to those two posts from the very early morning.

Graphic:

42 posted on 3/2/2024, 3:43:47 AM by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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43 posted on 3/2/2024, 3:44:26 AM by UMCRevMom@aol.com

These two were combined into one comment on this thread, # 8.

Both threads are entitled:

1 -- "Shooting Down 11 Jets In 11 Days, Ukraine Nudges The Russian Air Force Closer To Organizational Death-Spiral" Posted on 3/1/2024, 8:24:58 PM by ChicagoConservative27

2 -- "Shooting Down 11 Jets In 11 Days, Ukraine Nudges The Russian Air Force Closer To Organizational Death-Spiral" Posted on 3/2/2024, 2:44:02 AM by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Interestingly, the two comments to yesterday's thread were added AFTER posting this second instance of the identical David Axe article.

The Ukrainian Censor.net graphics seem to be very important, as a matter of Ukrainian propaganda presented in graphic form.

By way of comparison, one finds NO Russian propaganda, either as graphics or in text format, being posted by Freepers.

22 posted on 03/02/2024 4:29:24 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“ By way of comparison, one finds NO Russian propaganda, either as graphics or in text format, being posted by Freepers.”
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Certainly not in the form of a sustained PSYOPS JIHAD.


23 posted on 03/02/2024 4:34:16 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: House Atreides
One observes that comment # 3 posted on 3/2/2024, 2:51:13 AM by linMcHlp posts two YouTube videos by Davydov uploaded in Switzerland) and one by RFU (uploaded in the US), in lieu of UMCRevMom posting them. These were NOT identified by other than a title and hotlink.

It is also interesting that these "signature" promoted videos were added to this thread in the wee hours, the original post at 2:44:02 AM, and the promoted videos added at 2:51:13 AM.

A small interval of six minutes. Seems quite the pas de deux and all before 3AM this morning.

24 posted on 03/02/2024 4:48:00 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Here’s an interesting read from another perspective.

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-deluge


25 posted on 03/02/2024 4:53:55 AM PST by zek157 ( )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Regarding the term "zeeper". ...The use of the term exposes the ignorance, nay the gross ignorance, of those with such narrowed vision they apply the letter Z as representing Pro Ukraine.

The knowledgeable world not visible from under the rock of the man who created the term Zeeper, knows that the letter Z represents the failing Russian army. All Russian tanks, APC's, tracked artillery, trucks and delivery vans are marked with the identifier letter Z.

Thus it is plain to the world that the zeeper creator is not only ignorant but so narrow minded he is incapable of seeing the primary usage of the letter Z by the Russian army.


26 posted on 03/02/2024 4:57:17 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Don’t forget to say a prayer for the people of Russia as well...


27 posted on 03/02/2024 5:07:15 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

Why? They need damnation not prayers.


28 posted on 03/02/2024 5:09:12 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

That’s hilarious in a morbid way. Russia is not even close to losing. The war is lopsided against the Ukranians...they are no match for Russia. Best hope is for American government to quit forcing war and allow Russia and Ukraine to make peace. Which would have to includereal commitments to stop threatening Russia and for Russia to give back most of the land they’ve taken.


29 posted on 03/02/2024 5:12:22 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

There are some reports from Ukraine now stating 51 planes in 11-days. If anything, the losses of Russia aircraft indicate that bombing the AFU with FABs is in overdrive.

The FABs have changed the war. Now there are reports of 2500 and 5000 lb FABs being prepared for use.

Ukraine is experiencing exactly what Germany did in WWII with stop gap victories but strategic losses. The Ukrainian 3d Brigade is a US Division sized unit and has been expending itself for the past month buying time for Ukraine to build hasty trenches east of the big breakthru.

By the end of March, Ukraine will have retreated to the East Dniper River.

Russian and Ukraine bloggers say now they expect Russia to push East and try to take Kiev, but they have put so much pressure across the lines they are at several breaking points.

The front lines were about 620 miles long - some are predicting that they will be over a thousand miles long in another month.

When the dam breaks at the front lines Ukraine will like Germany in 1944, on the road to defeat.

We are being warned by Lloyd Austin that the United States (NATO) will go to war with Russia if they defeat Ukraine. Of course SecDef has to come out strong. England manning Storm Shadow, France manning Missiles, Germany manning missiles in Ukraine after the German Army Commander and staff were taped taking about British and French active duty military serving in Ukraine under the guise of Mercenaries... then France and Britian accused Germany of endangering operational awareness and possibly making Britian and France possible targets for Russian strikes in retaliation.

The writing is one the wall. Ukraine cannot be salavaged by Bilateral Security Agreements allowing English, French, Dutch, Polish, Romanian, and German Military Units to engage Russian troops on the battlefield independent of NATO Article 5. Good luck with that. As soon as British troops are on the ground, and a storm shadow missile hits a Russian oil refinery or city, Russia is going to make a smoking hole on British land, and it may come as a frist strike all over NATO. NATO will allow it’s land or military bases to be hit while supporting Ukraine without attacking Russia calling it defensive.

NATO will ignite at a minimum an European Continental War of Agressionk due to its never-ending expansion.

Lloyd Austin threatening a war direct war with Russia was meant with Russia putting it’s entire Nuclear Force on Def Con 1. They are planning a nuclear detonation on their testing island.

I believe that NATO thinks it can attack Russia using it’s NATO troops under Bilateral Agreements in Ukraine without Russia being allowed to attack their home countries. This is insanity. We are not simply on the bring of a tactical level nuclear war, we are on the verge of a nuclear exchange.

Between the WEF wanting to reduce the population and take Russian resources, maybe our Western leaders are going to solve their population problem in a war in which they hope to defeat Russia.

No matter where you stand on this war it is time to stop the maddnes of Biden’s Mutually Assured Destruction. The West is collasping under the weight of the Global Agenda, the Race Card, Illegal Immigration, and Homosexual destruction of Christanity.


30 posted on 03/02/2024 5:28:46 AM PST by Jumper
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To: bert

If Russia was failing why did Lloyd Austin say the United States would go to war with Russia if Russia finishes defeating Ukraine?

We are now on the bring of nuclear war with those words and the revalations of the German Military high command disclosing Britist troops are firing those storm shadow missils and the French troops are operating French missiles, and that German was planning to send their own troops to Ukraine to fire their missiles? Russia responded to Lloyd Austin by going Nuclear Def Con 1.


31 posted on 03/02/2024 5:31:57 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper

Because he knows that Russia will not defeat Ukraine

Russia isn’t


32 posted on 03/02/2024 5:41:00 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: bert

Bert, the vaxx has addled your brain.

—-> The knowledgeable world not visible from under the rock of the man who created the term Zeeper, knows that the letter Z represents the failing Russian army.

Zelensky + FReeper = Zeeper

Simple as that - though the foibles and histrionics and craziness of Zeepers has added to that definition as they display their neurosis.

How many of these vaxxes have you taken??


33 posted on 03/02/2024 6:14:26 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Jumper
Lloyd Austin threatening a war direct war with Russia was meant with Russia putting it’s entire Nuclear Force on Def Con 1.

I’ll bet there isn’t a single person in the Russian government who is dumb enough to listen to anything that pathetic retard has to say.

Austin threatening a direct war with Russia is nothing more than political theater — aimed at generating political support for Republicans in Congress to piss away another $60 billion on Ukraine.

It’s not working. The evidence of this is the comical sight of Lindsey Graham getting booed off the stage by Republican voters even when he’s an invited guest at a Trump campaign event.

34 posted on 03/02/2024 6:19:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Repeal The 17th; House Atreides; BlackbirdSST; Worldtraveler once upon a time

Thanks for posting this, I missed it the first time

Plus, we get to se the Ukraine-haters’ heads explode ... must be an effective article!

:)


35 posted on 03/02/2024 6:29:35 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

“ Thanks for posting this, I missed it the first time”
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Hey, Frenchy, I missed it the first time also. Perhaps others missed both the first and second postings. Perhaps the Reverend Mother can post it a third time. After all we never tire of seeing the endless rivers of propaganda promoting the GIBS-ME-MO’-BILLIONS Ukrainians in their never-ending search for OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.


36 posted on 03/02/2024 6:40:21 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

This thread is brought to you by the Ministry of Propaganda of Ukraine.


37 posted on 03/02/2024 7:10:44 AM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: linMcHlp; Worldtraveler once upon a time
Oh look!

Denys, the UKE Draft Dodging Grifter "war correspondent" who reports from the "front lines" (his couch in Switzerland) has returned!

image host

38 posted on 03/02/2024 7:37:01 AM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; bert
Zelensky + FReeper = Zeeper

It is interesting that bert is objecting to the term Zeeper. It reminds me of other terms that started out with innocuous meanings that are no longer acceptable in polite conversation. After time because of poor behavior or other negative traits of those who are being referred to we find that the term eventually has taken on a negative connotation by those who are being referred to.

“Zeeper” simply refers to a “Freeper” who is a rabid fan and follower of Zelensky. Typically, they have no interest in facts or reality and applaud the wholesale slaughter of Ukrainians as they are being used by NATO and the West in an attempt to weaken Russia and launder horrendous sums of money back in the pockets of crooked leftist politicians.

Zeeper’s complete lack of empathy for the actual people who they pretend they care about reveals their true nature. Stereotypically they are fat old arm chair warriors longing for the return of the cold war, along with many who enjoy the fantasy carnage found in first person shooter video games. All have a complete lack of concern that this “conflict” that the United States has no actual strategic interest in, may result in a nuclear conflagration which would kill Billions of innocents. This adds to the negative perception that all reasonable people associate with people belonging to this group.

It is not the term Zeeper that is inherently negative; it is those who are being referred to who fit the profile.

How Zeeper views himself

vs Reality

39 posted on 03/02/2024 8:14:31 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

Right on!


40 posted on 03/02/2024 8:15:23 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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