Posted on 03/09/2024 9:17:07 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
Large convoy of Ukrainian air defense systems destroyed by what looks like an Iskander.
Update: it looks to be multiple Patriot launchers and a possible radar.
This is the usual Russian propaganda. Russian ballistic missiles can’t hit moving targets, Patriot batteries don’t have that many vehicles and they are dispersed when the battery deploys.
Two or three weeks ago two Patriots systems were taken out on video. They were brought to the front to try to counter the massive destruction being caused by fighter dropped FAB glide bombs. In desperation, the Ukes are being forced to be reckless with their few remaining effective assets.
Knowledgeable guy on twz says it’s not Patriot, it’s IRIS-T.
“This is the usual Russian propaganda. Russian ballistic missiles can’t hit moving targets, Patriot batteries don’t have that many vehicles and they are dispersed when the battery deploys.”
Nope, it was reported by the Russian Defense Ministry, and their accuracy is 90% or greater. Let’s see if the Ukrainians/Neocons even try to deny it (and no doubt the Russians have more footage).
Like it or not, they found more of our toys, and DESTROYED them. As to their formation, beats me, but the DEI batch running the US military is FAR from being the “best and brightest”.
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Correct. Deceiving the American people to protect themselves, not us.
(Even U.S Soldiers can’t maintain a Patriot system in combat without civilian contractor support....)
“your tax dollars gone - up in smoke”
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Actually the tax dollars are safely in someone’s profiteering pockets.
We have spent the last quarter century mostly fighting small unit actions against poorly equipped , poorly trained insurgents and terrorists equipped with AK47s, PKMs, IEDs and RPGs
Even Iraq in 2004 was against a much degraded Iraqi military that never fully recovers from Desert Storm.
A bad day is a handful of casualties from an IED ambush.
A really bad day is a tank or aircraft being destroyed.
The modern battlefield is a very lethal place.
In a real war against a near peer adversary, we are going to take really heavy losses in people and hardware - on both sides. Our political leadership is accustomed to the pace and consequences of this low intensity conflict and the policy wonks really think they have the war thing figured out.
This is a dangerous place top be because they are making military intervention policies and decisions while totally under estimating how bad things could go if their ill advised course of action leads to a full scale, near peer conflict.
The Ukraine is a prime example of this ignorant arrogance.
So is the Gaza and Yemen and so was Afghanistan.
S-300 has longer range, but Patriot doesn’t have that kind of range because the only thing you can hit at 300 km is an airliner that doesn’t deploy countermeasures and never sees it coming. An S-300 might be able to break up an attack at long range, but the simple counter is to feign an attack, draw fire, and scoot. After a while the enemy will run out of ammunition.
Well reasoned post.
The arrogance and incompetence of the Biden admin is putting us on a very dangerous, if not catastrophic, path.
With modern open sources of satellite images, and direct access to local sources of intelligence, the Ukrainians have much better intel than some US based CIA or DOD guys.
If you know where to look you can see video and pictures posted daily of Russian military vehicle traffic from partisans behind the Russian lines. They aren't CIA guys, they are Ukrainians.
The thing is, a lot of the raw takes in the field don’t have usable audio, if they have audio at all. Stats show people will turn off silent video, soooo...
S-300 units can fight datalinked, so a closer unit can designate a target that’s closer to it for attention from a distant unit. At that point, that 300km range doesn’t seem quite so silly...
Iskander missiles *can* hit moving targets - the Iskander-M is only semi-ballistic and they do have optical seeker heads on at least one variant - think giant surface launched version of the AIM-54 Phoenix to understand the flight path of the weapon - it climbs to get altitude to trade for speed for the hypersonic sprint at the end. The Iskander-K is the cruise missile variant.
That’s been one of the complaints coming from the Ukranians, though - that they don’t have on-site support for a lot of the Western gear that they’re being handed.
What’s the truth? Who knows, but you’d have to go over there to find out.
But the aircraft can see it coming, or should know that he is being painted by a fire control radar. I really don’t see much advantage to 300 km range for a SAM, and like I said, feigning attacks and scooting would seem to be an easy way to exhaust the defense’s ammunition.
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