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San Francisco Considers Forcing Grocery Shops to Remain Open Amid Crime
Daily San Francisco Bay News ^ | 4/4

Posted on 04/04/2024 3:02:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway

When in doubt, blame businesses for closing their doors instead of the crime that has made it unsustainable for them to operate. San Francisco might even do you one better: force the businesses to stay open anyway.

One of the 11 members of San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors is floating reviving a vetoed 1984 law that would force grocery stores to stay open against their will. Supervisor Dean Preston calls it a “good idea” because of the risk of “food insecurity” that comes with grocery stores closing.

The law in question would require stores to give a whopping six-month notice before closing, would force them to meet with community members (i.e. activists who will shame them for being greedy corporations), and would mandate that they “explore” opening a replacement store to make up for the one they are closing. In other words, San Francisco would be forcing grocery stores to stay open while running at a loss and putting their own employees in danger due to crime, all because San Francisco just can’t stomach locking up the criminals causing these problems in the first place.

On the bright side, this may just be a worse idea than Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson proposing government-run grocery stores, moving San Francisco closer to the title of worst-run city in the country. But this is not a solution to the problem. The problem is that crime has made running several businesses unsustainable, whether through the losses that come with rampant shoplifting, the safety of employees being put in jeopardy, or both.

Forcing grocery stores to become charities for six months while a bunch of activists complain is not going to stop stores from closing. In fact, it would make them far more hesitant to open new locations (or the alternative ones the law mandates they consider), knowing that they could be held hostage by the city government for six months if their business becomes unsustainable.

If San Francisco pursues this, it would simply be a punishment levied against businesses that are only responding to the terrible circumstances they have been put in by criminals and by San Francisco’s lax attitude toward them. Forcing grocery stores to stay open temporarily doesn’t actually solve any problems, because it isn’t designed to solve a real problem.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: atlasshrugged; aynrand; california; californication; crime; despotism; groceries; grocery; grocerystores; marxisttyranny; retail; sanfrancisco; sanfransicko; theft
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To: mmichaels1970

It would work right up until the first clerk caught a bullet.

And that would happen.

L


101 posted on 04/04/2024 5:30:27 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Jonty30

If you want a “Headzup” as to what is in store for us if President Trump does not become POTUS 47, read it.

A VERY worthwhile read!

For that matter, so is “1984.”


102 posted on 04/04/2024 5:46:01 PM PDT by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: rfp1234

“Tell your friends I don’t want a lot. Just enough to wet my beak.”


103 posted on 04/04/2024 5:56:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Pontiac
There is the “Takings” clause in the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution. "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." These Libs that are so much smarter than everyone else should know this.

They do know this, they just don't care. Plenty of fascist federal courts will be happy to uphold their actions.

104 posted on 04/04/2024 6:06:54 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: nickcarraway

they would all rush to close them before such a law took effect.


105 posted on 04/04/2024 6:07:16 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: nickcarraway

“San Fran,” (they hate that term) deserves every last ill that they get.
Pompous, haughty, liberal, faggots and queers of all types that have slid into the “City by the Bay,” now enjoy druggies, feces, urine stinking, homeless, oops, I should say, “unhoused,” dregs of the country living the sordid life.

I will never go there again but am glad to have enjoyed the City when it was somewhat decent, safe and worth the trip.
Bye bye, SFO. Your stink is the legacy you leave.

Thank the liberal Democrats for your loss.


106 posted on 04/04/2024 6:42:50 PM PDT by BatGuano (t)
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To: GSWarrior

It’s the administrators and the voters who put them in office fault that San Fran is on its heels. They all deserve it.
Sucks to be a resident, for sure.


107 posted on 04/04/2024 6:47:32 PM PDT by BatGuano (t)
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To: nickcarraway

108 posted on 04/04/2024 6:52:02 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: tennmountainman

“The ones that have not closed will make a mad dash to the exits now”

exactly ... all the smart ones would preclose right prior to the passage of any such law ... SF might end up with zero grocery stores ...


109 posted on 04/04/2024 6:56:34 PM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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To: nickcarraway

Notice to the grocery store. If this happens then do not order new product. Do not pay the electric bill. Terminate the employees. Keep the door unlocked with some armed security guards inside.


110 posted on 04/04/2024 7:13:21 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Pontiac
There is the “Takings” clause in the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

Alas, California has been wiping its figurative backside with the Constitution for years.

Whenever it consciously enacts an unConstitutional law, it does so with full knowledge that, with cooperation of
the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the law will be litigated for decades.

111 posted on 04/04/2024 7:14:44 PM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: rdcbn1

Being forced to work against your will, now where have I read about this before....


112 posted on 04/04/2024 7:50:45 PM PDT by midwest_hiker
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Food insecurity...someone who thinks they need to eat every 2 hours...


113 posted on 04/04/2024 8:47:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The Tree of Liberty is getting thirsty...)
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To: nickcarraway

Forcing grocery stores to remain open. Nice. The stores won’t be able to pay for their produce. The suppliers won’t deliver anymore. Soon it becomes a soviet style no product store. Then the owner can’t pay their employees or other bills. Hell of a ripple effect.


114 posted on 04/04/2024 9:21:07 PM PDT by Texas resident (Biden=Obama=Jarrett=Soros)
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To: MortMan
Isn’t the burden of financing all of that an unconstitutional taking?

Id never support MANDATING it. Only wondering if that sort of model would be profitable and a feasible way to deal with loss prevention. In fact, id bet local governments would try to PREVENT it. Which to me would be unconstitutional.
115 posted on 04/04/2024 9:34:31 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: lastchance
Probably the thieves would simply change their method of five finger discount to outright armed robbery.

Perhaps. But I’d bet armed robbery may be a bit too much of an effort for your run of the mill shoplifter.
116 posted on 04/04/2024 9:36:12 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: nickcarraway
You can force the business to stay open, but you can't force the individual worker to continue to work there.

The first amendment right of the people to peaceably assemble (aka the right of free association) allows people to change jobs at will. The pursuit of happiness expects people to improve themselves by gaining experience and advancing in capabilities and better jobs with better pay.

Only centrally-planned economies run by communist governments mandate which jobs certain people will be allowed to have. San Francisco cannot force people to continue to show up for work in a job they no longer want nor feel safe doing.

If they must do so, they can invoke the 13th amendment:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Staff the grocery stores with people convicted of crimes if they want to force businesses to remain open. The criminals can be paid prison wages, which should remove a large operating cost from the businesses.

-PJ

117 posted on 04/04/2024 9:44:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Gaffer
If made to stay open it would be with completely empty shelves. Empty store but a sign on the door saying “we’re open.”

Well, they'd obviously have to stock there shelves with something, in order to maintain the fiction of "being in business."

Regards,

118 posted on 04/05/2024 12:29:48 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: nickcarraway

Hard to believe the Nineth Circus Court would even uphold this ridiculous dictate. Let the city Supervisors open their own fricking Grocery Stores, hell make everything free, what could go wrong?


119 posted on 04/05/2024 1:39:06 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: alexander_busek

Why not cat litter siftings. Little brown Baby Ruth bars...


120 posted on 04/05/2024 2:17:58 AM PDT by Gaffer
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