In fact the Grenfell Tower inferno started because of a malfunctioning "eco" refrigerator primed with the new dangerous refrigerant. The refrigerator burst into flames, triggering the fire which caused 72 deaths and an untold number of injuries.
Posted on 05/02/2024 4:37:07 PM PDT by lowbridge
Business groups are urging Gov. Kathy Hochul’s administration to delay regulations that would significantly restrict widely used coolant chemicals — a priority under the state’s sweeping climate law — that they say could wreak financial havoc on stakeholders ranging from grocery stores to hospitals.
The mandates have stoked concerns from trade groups ranging from the Business Council to the New York Farm Bureau. A broad coalition of business interests sent a letter to Hochul and the state Department of Environmental Conservation on Wednesday arguing that the state’s timeline is not feasible.
DEC’s proposed phaseout of chemical compounds known as “hydrofluorocarbons,” commonly found in cooling systems like refrigeration systems and air conditioners, has dovetailed with similar federal policies meant to curtail their use. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency describes hydrofluorocarbons as extremely powerful greenhouse gases that can accelerate climate change, and has mandated a phaseout of the compounds by 2036. New York’s timeline for the same goal ranges from 2021 to 2034.
They also say the state has not involved stakeholders in its decision-making, including operators of convenience and grocery stores and other business owners who will have to shell out millions to purchase new refrigeration and HVAC equipment.
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“The proposed regulations would require large scale retail food chains to reduce (hydrofluorocarbons), which equates to 2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent per year, have no direct costs to consumers, and would not require consumers or businesses to replace existing products and equipment prior to the end of useful life,” Salka said. “According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, DEC’s proposal is estimated to help businesses reduce energy costs and will result in $288-to-$540 million in savings, while helping fight climate change.”
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I think they’re straight up using propane or isobutane as refrigerant in new appliances.
R12 and R22 are no longer in use.
R22 had very little flourocarbons in it.Not like R12.
R12 and R22 are no longer in use.
R22 had very little flourocarbons in it.Not like R12.
Ozone is created by lightning strikes.
The hole in the ozone was over the south pole
Not to many lightning storms down there.
More BS from the climate club.
Tell me you don’t really know much chemistry without saying it directly.
No. Just no.
Don’t you know that all of these climate measures save consumers $1 per year! That will more than offset the $500 per year in additional cost that the new appliances will cost.
(Democrat math)
Is it R 22 or R 12?? From what I remember the original Freon was banned because your government said it thinned out the ozone layer. Now they say it does not, but it is too late. Dupont has configured their chemical plants to make what the government dictates.
I have a refrigerator in my garage that dates from the 1950s. It has never had a freon recharge (unless it got one early in its life.) I have avoided needing about 7 new refrigerators, with all the attendant cost, use of fossil fuels and materials, transportation, etc. THAT’s how to save the planet — not crack down on one-time refrigerant use in well-made machines.
Killing us one bureaucratic msndate at a time.
And we let it happen.
It sure is; R290 is Propane. I've already gotten 2nd degree burns from working on a unit.
In fact the Grenfell Tower inferno started because of a malfunctioning "eco" refrigerator primed with the new dangerous refrigerant. The refrigerator burst into flames, triggering the fire which caused 72 deaths and an untold number of injuries.
You will eaten your bugs cold and like it.
You will eat your bugs cold and like it.
That changes the chemical structure of the food, not always in ways that are palatable. And once an irradiated package is opened, it still needs refrigeration, just like canned food does once opened.
Yeah...once it’s open, if there are leftovers, it has to be refrigerated. But from the time it’s irradiated, during shipping and storage in stores or in homes, it does not need to be kept cold. That is a substantial reduction in refrigeration costs. Milk especially.
I might use a propane isobutane mix in all my old r12 cars.
If I did, I would say it works fine
“Go back to freon?”
or ammonia, the original refrigerant ...
Conspiracy theory was that Freon was banned because all the patents had run out and the chemical companies needed new proprietary products. Of course, that’s hurt a bit by the fact that Freon had been on the market for decades by then. But I haven’t looked at various patents that might have been involved.
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