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Ex-CIA Microbiologist Reveals Iraqi Plot to Attack US With Biowarfare by 2002 [Please read]
Video Interview | 1997 | Larry Wayne Harris

Posted on 09/21/2001 4:14:11 PM PDT by jedediah smith

[The following are excerpts from a video of Larry Wayne Harris, a former microbiologist with the CIA, describing details of future plans by Iraq to attack the US with biowarfare. Portions of the tape discuss plans of Iraqi terrorists in detail, which could be used by copycat terrorists reading this; therefore I have omitted certain portions. Short passages of sensitive material are replaced with ********** and longer sections with brackets summarizing what was discussed. Harris displays and explains biowarfare equipment confiscated from an Iraqi terrorist cell in the United States, and since they are still operating here I omitted the details of its confiscation-JS]

Hello. My name is Larry Wayne Harris, and I am a registered microbiologist. I was born and raised in the hills of southwestern Virginia, having lost my parents when I was a very small boy. I was adopted by my paternal grandparents... Many times while I was growing up my grandparents told me stories of the great swine flu epidemic of 1918... [J]ust about everyone in the community was literally down with the flu. [L]arge numbers of people were dying. At first the undertaker could keep up, but very shortly, they simply could not keep up any more...Soon, individual graves could not be dug fast enough. Soon entire families or parts of families had to be buried in a single grave. In a few days...they had to start putting the bodies into a coal mine and started stacking them up like cordwood...They would hook up the horses to a large freight wagon, and they would go house to house, calling "Bring out the dead, bring out the dead." Once the swine flu had burned itself out there were nearly twenty million dead.

I had fallen in love with microbiology when I was a small boy, vowing to my grandparents that I would become a microbiologist when I grew up, so that I might be able to prevent a great plague like this from ever happening again...During my senior year in high school, I went to the army recruiter and told them, I would enlist when I graduated if he could find me a place I could work in a microbiology laboratory. A few days later I got a letter from a recruiter who informed me, that he had located a laboratory at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, where I was stationed. A few days after graduation, I enlisted in the army, and after basic training I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. I worked my way through Aberdeen in military biological warfare and defense. I was always defense. I was never offense. I would have absolutely nothing to do with offense...After finishing up my tour in the military, I was released from the military, and I returned to college. I went to Ohio State University. And while at Ohio State University, there was another laboratory that adjoined itself to Ohio State, which is known as the Betel (sp?) Institute. While at the Betel Institute, we also did research into biological warfare. And as it happened in 1972, when I first got out of the military, we had signed treaties banning all forms of offensive and defensive biological warfare. Biowar was considered a great harm to the world at large, and so we banned it. They simply just banned it.

What actually happened then, was that the military started to, took the biological warfare entity, they busted it up and broke it up into large numbers of very small little cells all over the United States. It seems like the treaty that was signed was between individual nations, it had nothing to do with private corporations. And so, I studied through at Ohio State University, basically, working part-time at a laboratory, just getting my expertise at microbiology. After graduating, I went down south, Florida area, worked in a small private laboratory for many years, as a clinical microbiologist. In 1984 I was recruited back by the Company, the Company being the Central Intelligence Agency, worked in a small reference laboratory. And while at that laboratory, we started seeing some very unusual microbes. Basically, the bacteria that we were starting to observe was that, if the CIA went out in the field somewhere and they found a microbe, and they thought that it may have been used as a biological warfare agent, they would bring it back to a reference laboratory, ours was one of many, and see if one, could this have been a biological warfare agent; could this have been genetically engineered? In other words, it didn't happen in nature, wasn't just a combination in nature. This is something that happened in nature, or actually engineered. And then, how do we find the backdoor? "Backdoor" being a way to treat it.

In the laboratory in the later eighties, we were told that the Ayatollah Khomeni was getting ready to use biological warfare in an offensive manner against one of our allies, the Iraqis. And we were starting to train the Iraqis on how to defend against biological warfare. And so, I had several Iraqi students in my laboratory and we were training them, and this one young girl there, a lady, a nice lady, named Miriam Arif, and we were teaching them how to defend against biological warfare. And in 1988 we got ahold of an unusual organism, it was a mycoplasma. We tested the mycoplasma, it was Mycoplasma fermenens, which was a common soil microbe, but it had incredible evasive properties. We ran an HPLC on it, high pressure liquid chromagraph, which gives us a fingerprint of the bacteria, and after we ran the fingerprint, we would stockpile it in our computer, find out what to treat it with, and go on to the next microbe.

In 1991, when the Gulf War was starting to go on, all the Iraqi microbiologists in our laboratory were gone, of course, they were considered a security risk. Early in '91, I started seeing some very unusual symptoms coming in. And there was a hospital up in Mansfield, Ohio and I was friends with the epidemiologist there...and he asked me "Larry would you mind coming up here, we've got some very unusual patients coming in. Some of the craziest symptoms I've ever seen in my life. We're sending out samples from these patients to many different laboratories, and we're at odds with what's going on. We don't know what's happening."

And so I said "Sure, no problem." So I went up, and they had two girls there, two young ladies, and these young ladies were very, very badly off and ill...I took a couple of blood samples from each one of them, went back to the laboratory,... ran an HPLC on it. When I ran the HPLC, I fed it into the computer. The computer gave me a match, and showed that in 1988 that we had, it was a biological warfare agent. And I was very concerned about these ladies being contracted with a biological warfare agent. And so, I started making some inquiries, large numbers of inquiries. To my surprise, the Centers for Disease Control told me just forget about it. They were on top of it, it was a new strain of virus coming into here Don't worry about it.

But I didn't. And I started running through my computer scans and found out you could treat it with ordinary tetracycline. Viruses you can't treat with tetracycline. And I told the pulmonary specialist at Mansfield, "Go ahead and use tetracycline on the ladies." And their symptoms started clearing up...

After their symptoms started clearing up, I started making more inquiries about this, this agent. And my section chief said "Larry, drop it. We want you to drop it right now. Forget about it." And so after I started looking more in depth into it, in the latter part of July of '91, I came into the laboratory on a Friday morning, and the laboratory was gone. The area, the whole laboratory had been literally cleaned out. Totally cleaned out. They handed me my personal effects in a black plastic bag and they said goodbye. And as luck would have it, all the time when I would go through and doing research, I'd always keep a notebook. Write down my research in notebooks and stuff of this nature. And when a notebook got full in the laboratory I'd bring it home and throw it in the bottom of the closet. Forget about it, and go on. That day when I left the laboratory, I had all my notebooks. And also I took the opportunity when I left the laboratory to go back to college. I wanted to go back to college and take some advanced courses in microbiology, which I did.

And so in September of 1991, I reentered Ohio State University, and started taking courses in advanced microbiology, which actually was in preparation for taking my National Registry of Microbiologists' Certification Exam. I soon entered a clique of nontraditional students whose average age was around 40. In that clique was the delightful young lady known as Miriam Arif, which we worked with in the laboratory before. We soon became very close friends. Miriam, like I said, was from Iraq, and was here studying microbiology. She had a very unusual background. One of her close relatives, General Arif, was President of Iraq, and in April of 1966 he was killed in a helicopter accident. There was a long succession of military coups and now Saddam Hussein and the Republican Guard were in power. In these coups her family had not faired too well. She said several of her family members had been hanged, and that at the present time she felt that it was safer for her to be in America, until she could do something that would make her very famous back in Iraq. And so I kind of chuckled it off and stuff of this nature. And let's fast forward to February of 1993.

I had arrived early in order to get a parking spot in a rapidly-filling student parking lot and was having coffee in a small vending area in the bottom of the Med Tech building where the Med Tech courses were taught. The vending area that morning was deserted except for Miriam Arif. I will never forget the way her eyes looked that morning, very tired and glossy, and I had little doubt that she had gotten any sleep since the World Trade Center had been bombed. This was the Monday after. She must have thought that her arrest was imminent, and for the whole time she kept rambling on-it was as if she was in a daze. She was silent for a few minutes, then said, "Larry, you're a dear and trusted friend. And what I'm going to tell you over the next few minutes you can use to protect yourself and a few friends. Because when it comes my time to act, I do not want your death to be on my conscience. You obviously do not know the danger you face concerning the emergence of biological warfare as being a major threat to North America." She went on to state that nearly all emerging countries, Libya, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, were actively pursuing a germ warfare program, and were scrapping their nuclear program. There were too many reasons for this. The first being the complexity and cost of acquisition of sufficient nuclear stockpiles to be meaningful. The second reason is that biological warfare is anti-personnel warfare, not anti-material warfare, and that housing, buildings, factories, and other structures remain intact and can be used in a very short time.

I asked her if she had actually seen the Iraqi's germ warfare facilities, offensive, and she gave a resounding "Yes. Very much so." She went on to state that Iraq uses the plain-Jane approach, and that Iraq has a very large stockpile of biological agents on hand, and special bombs, and was developing rockets that would spread the infection over very large areas. They had two separate areas of biological operations: one foreign, one regional. The regional are all facilities located around small airstrips around the country [America] and are deliberately designed not to draw much attention. These airstrips will not handle large to medium aircraft, in fact, are designed for a single class of aircraft. These aircraft are single engine high-winged turboprops and can be used for crop dusting. [See latest warning from the FBI to crop dusters to watch out-JS] The regional biological operations would take only a couple of days to get into operation if they're using anthrax, or a couple of weeks if they're using plague. The chemostats, which are what they're using to grow the bacteria located in these facilities, can be explained away as holding tanks for agricultural spray products that are kept empty. And there'd never be [any] question in case they were ever questioned. In order to get them in operation, [Harris then describes the simple procedure involved to incubate the bacteria for dispersion.]

Miriam further stated that these aircraft have exceptionally long range, and that only one aircraft was located at each facility, and that if the aircraft was lost, a replacement aircraft would be flown in from another facility. They are kept very small, and very difficult to detect. And I asked her why they didn't see any germ warfare being waged during the Gulf War, and she said, responded, "We did, we did use germ warfare." The Iraqi military adhered to, in part, the Soviet military doctrine, which is, the Soviet military doctrine's modus operandi is chemical warfare should be conducted with mixed agents. Mixed agents, often referred to as cocktails, are intended to enhance the capacities of nerve agents, and defeat precautions taken by the enemy. The cocktails can be made by combining a mixture of biological toxins, nerve agents, dessicants and some biological agents such as bacteria or fungi. Miriam stated that she had personally worked in a germ warfare laboratory and that they had developed and used Mycoplasma fermenens, later called incognitus, and in which had inserted an HIV envelope gene. The genetic manipulation rendered a relatively benign mycoplasma much more invasive and pathogenic and capable of infecting many organs and tissue systems of the body simultaneously. This can, by the way, be very effectively treated with tetracycline. Miriam also stated that they had isolated a form of Ebola virus which took 3 to 7 years to kill you, and in the next few years hundreds of thousands of Gulf War veterans and their families would start dying.

And I asked her, why didn't Iraq use these biological weapons during the Gulf, the fast-acting biologicals? And she said they were afraid, that the Gulf War, if we use the fast-acting biologicals against the United States [they] would respond with thermonuclear weapons. And I said, "Miriam you stated that myself and the North American people were in grave dangers of biological agents being used against us. Would you elaborate?" And to this she replied, "A few hours ago, a band of fanatics blew up the World Trade Center. I am sure that my beloved Iraq did not do this thing. For when it comes time to payback, I'm sure we will demand at least one American life, for every one of my countrymen that you butchered. And we are not going to settle for some silly old building." And I asked her, "Do you know how such an attack will be carried out?" To this she responded, "Don't be silly, of course I know. For you see, all operations will be batch operations. For unlike the very complex chemostats where you have to have a constant output, and once you're up and running, with a batch operation all you need is a sterile vessel, from say a test tube up to 10 liters. ********** The vessel of choice that would be used would be a metal spray can. You know, like the ones they use to spray bugs with, like the exterminators use. The one that has a little air pump in the middle. All you gotta do once you're ready is pump it up and you're ready. **********"

And I asked her, what would be the most likely targets. And to this she responded, "For one thing, there will not just be one target, but many hundreds of targets, simultaneously across the United States. Primarily these targets will be metropolitan areas, and other inviting targets will be like the air ducts of large office buildings, or say large gatherings of people like a stadium, or just sticking the tube out of the side of a building and just letting it spray, who's going to notice a little more mist coming off the side of the building? Several cells, each cell has ten men and one woman, to act as a carrier, will be using aircraft venturis **********. These will be mounted underneath the cars, and spray tanks are in the cars, with a tubing going down to the venturis. The venturi acts like a carburetor, and when the car gets around 60 mph, one opens the valve, and a fog of death will be coming up behind the car. Other cells will be using the same venturis mounted in light aircraft to attack whole cities at a time.

I asked her, how would they get the culture, the bacterial culture? To this she replied, "It is very easy for a woman to hide a small sealed vial of dehydrated culture inside a body cavity and get it into North America. What are they going to do, take every woman that enters into the country and have some little room in an airport and make them go and lie down on a table and have their feet up in the straps and have someone look up their privates? I think not." And I asked her, "Why not use something you can obtain in this country without going through all that?" To this she replied, "There is, this is where the real irony is, for you see, Iraq bought all the dehydrated vials from companies right here in the United States, who shipped them to Iraq. These same vials are the ones that the Iraqi women are being brought back into this country, to use against the country." Miriam stated that she had made several trips back and forth between Irag and the United States. Every time that she came back into the United States, she was carrying a vial of the dehydrated anthrax, either anthrax or bubonic plague.

And one thing I asked her, the microbes of choice, and she said bubonic plague and anthrax. She said "For plague is very easy to work with. We will take a proper amount of antibiotic, and then we're safe to work with it. Once you're finished, you can very easily clean up any spills with disinfectant, and if you miss any, any will be dead within a couple of days. The anthrax will be used for specially-trained cells to attack big cities. These cells have to be extremely careful and have a lot of advanced training. If you get some on your clothing, and you happen to inhale it several years later, it could kill you. So they will have to strip thoroughly and shower, and leave every article of clothing behind. And what will be worn on attack will be left behind. The only other bacteria that will be considered was typhoid fever and cholera, and these were mostly nuisance."

I then asked her, "When she thought the attacks would begin?" and she responded "Sometime in the next few years. The attacks are centered on three Muslim holy days that are coming up. For over twenty years the Muslim sufis have been saying that the Great Satan would strike the heel of Allah sometime in the '90s. When they struck the heel of Allah, that would start off a Muslim timetable, three holy periods would arise. When the third holy period had arised, the Muslims will have reconquered the world. The first of these come up in July of '97. Because you see, Kuwait, which they considered, was the heel of Allah. The Great Satan, they considered to be the United States. The next will be sometime in the year 1999, the next one [in] 2001. One thing is certain, before the year 2002, the country's population will be down to less than 50 million."

Then, after we talked with Miriam that morning, Miriam seemed to be a lot calmer, easier, and she said, "Larry, why don't you meet me this afternoon up on the third story of the main library, where we can have some privacy? I need to slip back to my apartment. I want to get you something I want to show you." That afternoon, I met Miriam in the main library, and we found a secluded place in the towers. Miriam opened her briefcase and took out a map of the United States that had been divided up into grids. Each grid had a number, the latitude and longitude designations. Miriam stated that these grids were cells already in place. And hundreds of cells will be in place before July of '97. Miriam took out another map and it was a map of this nation's power grid. On the map were little blue squares, that upon closer examination, these were power plants. Beside each square was a number; latitude and longitude. Miriam stated that these were cell designations. Miriam stated this country's electric power was [Miriam goes on to describe what Iraq sees as the Achilles' heel of our power system, and how they plan to bring down the power grid.] [T]he numbers are the cells' members whose job before they head back to Iraq is to take out those **********. The latitude and longitude ********** are so precise that if it became necessary they could lay in an 80mm mortar. Miriam then took out of her briefcase a set of blueprints, and she said "This is a little goodie that Iraq has come up with **********." [Miriam then goes into great detail of the manufacture of a bazooka accurate to 200 yds. The units can be made mostly with basic materials obtained from a local hardware store.] Miriam stated that each cell was equipped with twenty units. And then she kind of said with a snicker: "Made in America."

Miriam stated she had no problem telling this because no one will ever believe me. She stated that she was on the move and would probably not see me again, and to please give her at least a week before I started asking any questions, for she knew my curiosity would get the better of me. She closed her briefcase, got up and headed for the elevator, stopped and turned around and put her hand out, in a gesture like Spock from Star Trek, and said "Live long and prosper." She turned into the elevator and was gone.

A few days later, I started a barrage of phone calls to the FBI, CIA and just about everyone I knew to call, but Miriam was right. No one believed me. Every bureaucrat that I called was simply not interested. I called CDC back and after phone tag was finally transferred to Fort Collins, the vector division. I told him what Miriam had told me, and they responded that they thought I'd been watching too many science fiction movies, and not to worry about it. I asked him if there was a contingency plan if this ever occurred. They said that they did, and I asked them if they'd send me a copy. They said that they would, but after a couple of weeks, nothing arrived. So I called them back. After several weeks, no contingency plan. I put them on spot, and finally asked them, "Why do you not send me a contingency plan? And if there is no contingency plan, so state." Finally the Centers for Disease Control stated that in 1972, all biological civil defense programs had been scrapped. There are no contingency plans. The United States is wide open....

[A] visting English microbiologist who had written several papers on advancing germ warfare, would be lecturing there [at Ohio St.] in a few weeks. On March 1993 I attended the lecture...The lecturer went on to state very clearly, that in the next few years, the United States could almost certainly look forward to massive amounts of biological warfare being used on the United States...

[Harris went on to write his own book about defending against biological warfare. He was contacted by the Pentagon who debriefed him. He recounts the following.]

And so I went and visited a place which is just west of Columbus, Ohio, for a military debriefing. We had a whole team of scientists, engineers, Air Force, Army, other high-ranking officers. During the debriefing, they would give you a series, a lie-detector test, if you would. Which is, they will ask you a question, several questions they know you're going to answer truthfully. They get a voice-stress analysis, a voice print. And when you get the voice print, they will then ask you a series of other questions, and they will analyze the prints that they get on your future questions, answers to future questions, on your initial one. That is known as a voice-stress analysis.

And so, they started asking me a series of questions, the interview lasted almost six hours. After about five hours, the girl who was monitoring the voice-stress analysis, she had to get up to go the bathroom to puke. She came back white as a ghost and she said "The needle has not varied, not one bit, for five hours. He is telling the truth." We started pouring in the numbers, what would happen if the Iraqi cells, we knew there was 100 cells in 1993. If the 100 cells would release the biologicals, what would be the actual outcome to the United States?...

What proof do we have that this is happening? A young lady with the Pentagon, told me that in October... of '96, they followed two Iraqi females in from Baghdad coming into Vancouver, Washington. They were taken off an aircraft in Vancouver, Washington where they took them in and did a body cavity search. One girl, they recovered a vial of anthrax, the other girl was carrying a vial of bubonic plague...

We started running the numbers. We took the numbers and fed it into the computer. After we fed it into the computer, the numbers, we started asking the question, "How many people are we going to lose?" What we found out, what the computer models showed us, if we have only 100 cells in the continental United States, and these 100 cells give us 1000 points of release...We fed it into the computer. What the computer models showed us was that, if we know the day of the attack, if we know the hour of the attack, if we know the minute of the attack, as we stand right here, right now, we're going to lose 180 million people. If we do not know the day of the attack, but only start knowing when people start dropping dead, we could literally lose upwards of 230 million people.

Now they said OK, what would be the long-term effects? Let's just go with bubonic plague...Within 48 hrs. after it's sprayed out it will start drying up and dying...But anybody who catches the plague, every person who catches the plague... every cough they have they spew out more bubonic plague into the air. If they hit a city with bubonic plague, the people spread out from that city, wherever they go with bubonic plague, every area they go into, they spread more bubonic plague. Now people will say, "Well, but you have antibiotics, well, treat it." Yes, we do. We have a major problem, however. That major problem is the availability of antibiotics. This comes from straight from ********** of the Pentagon, also we worked with the Michigan Biological Institute. If they hit a single city, let's just say New York City right now. With, let's just say bubonic plague. Just bubonic plague. With the way our current medical practices are set up in the United States, and this is what the Pentagon officials told me...with the casualty management team,... they use a process known as triage. Triage, meaning three. When your patients are coming into the hospital, you will divide them into three different categories. Category, one, they need minor first aid. Category two, moderate to heavy treatment. Category three, extremely heavy treatment. And most of them they're going to lose. You see, with bubonic plague or anthrax, once you start showing the symptoms, once the symptoms manifest themselves, you're dead. Right off the bat...One thing my contacts at the Pentagon that dealt with triage said that, if the Iraqis would hit a single American city, like New York City, with our current medical procedures, that we're using right now, it would strip this nation of its entire antibiotic supply. The procedures we have right now is that you take the worst patients first. But you've got to remember, is that once you start showing the symptoms, you're dead. So which means, only the patients, people coming to the hospital, only those people who are bringing the people who are sick are the ones who should be given the antibiotics. The ones who've already got the symptoms, they're dead. Quite frankly, they're dead.

Now with anthrax, once it's released, unlike plague, plague once it's released into the air, within 48 hrs. it's going to start dying. Plague's going to start dying. Anthrax, on the other hand, has got a little bit longer shelf life. We had an island off the Scottish coast where we experimented with an anthrax bomb back in the 40s. It's about six acres square, and I've been told it's about flat as a pancake. We've tried every known procedure known to mankind to decontaminate that island. And that island is still off limits and it's flat as a pancake, six acres square. You see, the shelf life of anthrax spores is approximately 5,000 years. Now, if you hit a city, say like New York City or what have you, the question becomes, how do you decontaminate it? If we could not decontaminate an island, that was six acres square, how do you decontaminate a city? The situation is, you do not decontaminate the city. Quite frankly, what happens, the city becomes uninhabitable.


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To: Poohbah
Do you even READ anything I post? Go up to 157 and read my comments about Harris. Never mind, I'll make is easier for you.

Second, in spite of what I've already stated, you seem to think I give credence to the author of this piece. You are mistaken. I gave it so little credence that I didn't even read it completely. Instead, I spent several hours researching legitimate sources and posted another thread. There were dozens of other articles and abstracts I read in addition to the two posted on the new thread.

You [to me]: "But following the advice of bewildered, discredited, and partially informed people... who have made a nice living from CD and book sales conveying scare tactics....does not seem to be a wise choice."

Me [earlier to someone else]: "I agree with your point about questioning the source [Larry Wayne Harris]. After getting to the part of this article where the guy is selling a book, I didn't bother reading any further. Why bother? I try to get my info from people who aren't selling anything."

Now, what was your point to me again?


Once again, poohbah, WHAT WAS YOUR POINT TO ME?!


BTW, I really don't believe for one minute that you're THIS dense. You just didn't have anything else worth saying.

181 posted on 09/24/2001 10:10:37 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: jedediah smith
I can only assume that Iraq believes that it will be difficult for America to prove Iraq's involvement in any bio attack. Just like the WTC terrorist attack was probably a consortium of Muslim countries, it may be difficult for us to single out one culprit. If we can't prove to the world they did it, they may think we won't nuke them.

I would say if the casualties approach anywhere near what Harris says, all bets are off, wouldn't you? Let 'em fly.

182 posted on 09/24/2001 10:44:49 AM PDT by mancini
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Actually, yes, they could have. There was credible evidence presented at the embassy bombing trial. There was credible evidence presented when terrorists were arrested in foriegn nations and questioned. There was more than enough evidence being generated by the terrorists actions in the USA over the last year. The problem is not a lack of credible evidence. It is the fact that we didn't manage to pull the various threads together in time to paint a coherent enough picture.

I agree with that, from what I've seen so far, anyway. And I think it's been fairly well documented that Al Gore and his "Gore Commission" sacrificed our safety on airlines for the airline's campaign contributions.

It is one thing to say a particular for of attack "could" happen. It is quite another to say that the planning and preparation are in place for a specific attack that "will" happen.

I wasn't kidding when I said I didn't read all of the Harris article. Guess I didn't get far enough into it to know what he says about this.

183 posted on 09/24/2001 7:46:40 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: WyldKard
I agree that military people are most at risk (at least until the rogue countries develop ICBMS!) I'm not aware of anything available for smallpox vaccination...
184 posted on 09/24/2001 8:18:13 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl, Nita Nupress
Thanks very much for the link to that article in Newsweek, AG. If that is really what Harris said, then yes, he most definitely is a few bricks shy of a load. Let me first state that I know very little about Larry Wayne Harris. I knew he was arrested after being harassed by the government, and was supposed to be a racist, etc. although no proof has ever been presented. I have always believed him because no one has ever disproven anything he said, although I did have some slight question in my mind about him, that maybe he really was a Nazi. But after seeing how vehemently the government shills have attacked his reputation on this thread, I can only conclude that he is totally legitimate. If Poobah attacks someone, they must be OK. And, with all due respect, I really must question this Newsweek evidence (and oddly, your link no longer works). Newsweek is a notorious mouthpiece for the government, and would have every motivation to do a hit piece on Harris. The video I transcribed above is circulated among the patriot community and gun shows. Harris does not exhibit the slightest hint of any neo-Nazi or racist attitude, much less mention it. If Harris is really a Nazi racist, wouldn't one expect him to make his views known on his own tape?

Harris had already made the government mad by his persistent investigation into the true causes of Gulf War Syndrome, which he has blamed on his employer, the CIA. That would give them plenty of reason to be after him, even to the point of getting shills to attack his reputation on the Internet, as this thread documents.

As an example of the kinds of lies people will spread about him, and that Harris is accurate, consider this: in the above transcript, Harris says that 20 million people died in the 1918 flu epidemic. Then in post #146, rmvh says that Harris inferred that 20 million people died in the US from the epidemic, that only 600,000 died. Harris said no such thing, but this example shows how others have tried to put words in his mouth. And the accuracy of Harris' statement is confirmed by this article from Science News (http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc97/3_22_97/fob1.htm):

"On Sept. 19, 1918, an Army private destined for the trenches of World War I France reported to the base hospital at Camp Jackson, S.C. Although otherwise healthy, the 21-year old complained of chills, fever, headache, backache, and a cough. 'Opinion: Influenza,' a doctor noted in the medical record. Within a week he was dead-1 of 21 million people worldwide who would succumb to the influenza pandemic of 1918."

Regarding Harris' contention that he worked for the CIA, some people might think he was just blowing smoke in this regard. He said above that he worked for the Batelle Institute (the idiot shills above criticized Harris for misspelling Batelle as "Batel,"but if they had bothered to read the article, they would have realized that it was my transcription from Harris' video, and I misspelled it myself). But I appreciate their correcting my mistake, because I found out some interesting facts that prove that Harris was probably working for the CIA.

Evidently, there are many branches of the Batelle Institute across the United States and Europe. They must be tied in with the government because the Kenniwick man bones were kept at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' Batelle Institute (see http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kennewic.htm [The Corps "lost" the bones which is another story in itself]). There is also a Batelle Institute in Geneva, Switzerland, and if you look at http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:lyrTtqv1J9A:www.cacor.ca/corhis.html+%22bat elle+Institute%22&hl=en you will see that their Director, Hugo Thiemann, helped start the Club of Rome. This organization was started in the late '60s and is an arm of the Committee of 300, according to Dr. John Coleman, who was the first to publicly identify the existence of the Club of Rome in 1969. The following excerpts from Dr. Coleman's 1982 report, The Club of Rome, are informative:

"One of the oldest and most powerful of the Venetian Black Nobility dynasties is the Guelph dynasty. Queen Elizabeth II, for instance, is a Black Guelph--her great grandmother came from this family group. The Black Nobility and European royalty are prominent members of the COR (Club of Rome), which has as its objective, the dissolution of the United States as an industrial and agricultural power. Its other goals are not so readily visible and of a more complex nature, so I shall begin with the details of the COR's special conference, what was said and who said it. As if to show their utter contempt for the election victory of Ronald Reagan in the November 1980 elections, the group chose to meet in Washington, D.C.

"According to minutes of the meeting secretly recorded by an intelligence officer, the thrust of the meeting was about how to best dismember the industrial heart of the United States and get rid of what one delegate referred to as, 'the surplus population.' This was consistent with the blueprint of Sir Bertrand Russell, as openly laid out in his book, 'The Impact of Science on Society.' Other goals expressed at the conference were the methods to be used to gain control of the internal affairs of the United States. As several of the delegates came from the old Black Nobility families, or had worked for them for years, the dirty tricks, sedition, terror-tactics discussed, represented a direct challenge to the government and the people of the United States...

The COR conference agenda included the best ways to nullify the Reagan Presidency, which had come as something of a surprise to the Club's members. Emphasis was laid on blocking the economic recovery promised by then candidate Reagan. In order to accomplish this, the delegates were told that the Democrat Party had to be radicalized...It was suggested that the best way to socialize President-elect Reagan was to drive out conservative members of his inner circle and then turn the Democrats into a strong anti-capitalist Socialist party along the lines laid down by the Communist Manifesto of 1848. (The capital gains tax which came in 1989 was a direct result of COR planning.) In fact, the Democrat Party has since 1980 assumed the role of the Socialist/Communist Party and should be called, 'The Socialist/Communist Party of the United States.'...

"More than 2000 delegates attended this amazing gathering, yet it was completely blacked out by the jackals of the media. It is a tribute to my intelligence connections, that within 3 days of the meeting, in November of 1980, I was in possession of full documentation of this unholy watershed meeting of Socialist leaders. COR delegates attended what they saw as the funeral of the United States...

"Many of the leading delegates...met in daily sessions with State Department officials including Cyrus Vance and Henry Kissenger...Details of the discussions were never made public but according to the documents with which I was provided, the COR planned to isolate the United States. Details of the discussions were never made public but according to the documents with which I was provided, the COR planned to isolate the United States, leaving open a single channel to the worst elements in the State Department and the KGB...

"Apparently, a full day was devoted to how best to implement Lord Russell's plan to stifle industry and rid the world of more than 2 billion 'useless eaters.'

"It was resolved to redouble the efforts to end construction of nuclear power stations and promote the policy of zero growth in conformity with Adam Smith and Malthus economic theories and the writings of Russell...

"The December 5, 1980 follow-up to the original COR meeting in Washington, D.C., endorsed and accepted the COR's 'Global 2000 Report'--a blueprint for global genocide. The report called for the death of 2 billion people by the year 2010 (hence the title). The second conference also adopted the policy of euthanasia as a means of getting rid of the growing population of elderly people, and enthusiastically adopted the Russell term, 'useless eaters,' as a code word to describe millions of people who, in the eyes of the COR, were 'surplus to requirements.'"...

"In a follow-up COR meeting held in Paris in March of 1982, Aurellio Peccei, founder of the Club, made the following statements: 'Men are like insects. They proliferate too much...It is about time to put on trial the concept of nations state obstacles to world culture. Christianity makes proud men, mercantile society which creates nothing but dead culture and classical music, oppressive signs on paper.' Whether believed or not, my paper, written at some risk, is intended as a warning to the citizens of the United States: the equivalent of the Jacobin terror mobs will be unleashed upon our unsuspecting nation in due time. Jacobin-style mobs will be employed to bring about drastic changes in the way that we live in America, changes that will last for as long as a thousand years. The COR's policy is 'fewer and fewer people, consuming less and less and requiring less services, by whatever means.'"

So as can be seen, one of the COR's main concerns is global population increase and researching ways to curb (or decrease) it. They are also one of the organizations pushing global warming propaganda. They want to depopulate the world, and one of the ways is through biowarfare, through research by institutions like the Batelle Institute. Prince Phillip himself, of the 300, is quoted as saying, "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."

Harris said that the government contracted out its biowarfare research, since it was forbidden to such research itself. The shills above said Harris never worked for the government. I found this interesting letter to the editor which confirms that the Batelle Institute in Columbus not only performs government military contract work, but apparently subsists off it. A citizen of wrote (see http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/archives/042098/letters.html): "The Pentagon is the Batelle Institute in Columbus, which exists because of military contracts for research."

But yet more evidence may be necessary. From an article entitled "The Annals of Warfare: the Bioweaponeers" in the March 9, 1998 issue of the New Yorker (see http://cryptome.org/bioweap.htm) is the following:

"KEN ALIBEK is a quiet man fortyseven years old, with youthful looks and an attractive, open face. He lives in a rented condominium in Arlington, Virginia, a five-minute walk from his office at a private consulting firm. Alibek has dark hair and Asian features, and a dimpled scar on his nose, which he got in an accident that was "not heroic," he says, involving a machine in a biowarfare plant. Before he arrived in the United States, in 1992, Ken Alibek was Dr. Kanatjan Alibekov, the first deputy chief of research and production for the Soviet biological-weapons program. He was the top scientist in the program, a sprawling, clandestine enterprise known as Biopreparat, or The System, by the scientists who worked in it. Biopreparat research-and-production facilities were flung all across the Soviet Union. As Dr. Alibekov, Ken Alibek had thirty-two thousand scientists and staff people working under him. Alibek has a Doctor of Sciences degree in anthrax. It is a kind of superdegree, which he received in 1988, at the age of thirty-seven, for directing the research team that developed the Soviet Union's most powerful weapons-grade anthrax...

"The Alibekov anthrax is four times more efficient than the standard product. Ken Alibek is part of a diaspora of biologists who came out of Russia following the breakup of the Soviet Union. Government funding for research decreased dramatically, and scientists who were working in the biowarfare program found themselves without jobs. Some of them went looking abroad. A few have come to the United States or Great Britain, but most went elsewhere. 'No one knows where they are,' Alibek says. One can guess that they've ended up in Iraq, Syria, Libya, China, Iran, perhaps Israel, perhaps India--but no one really knows, probably not even the Russian government.

"Ken Alibek, the former second-in command of the Soviet germ warfare programme who revealed earlier this year that the Soviets had weaponised tonnes of smallpox, argues that it is short-sighted to put too much effort into developing vaccines. Instead, says Alibek, who is now at the Batelle Institute in Virginia, researchers should concentrate on ways to treat victims of biological weapons. Today's antibiotics may be useless because germs could be equipped with genes for resistance to all of them. Russian scientists have already created such a strain of anthrax..."

I might also mention that the above article contains a section which reads: "Later, Bill Patrick was the oldest United Nations weapons inspector in lraq. The Iraqis knew exactly who he was-the former top scientist in the former American bioweapons program. Iraqi intelligence people started calling his hotel room in Baghdad at night, hissing, "You son of bitch, Patrick," and then hanging up. "It was kind of an honor, but it kept me awake," he says."

Personally, I don't think more evidence is necessary to document Harris' story.

185 posted on 09/28/2001 5:04:21 AM PDT by jedediah smith
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To: mancini, RightOnline, rdavis84, thinkin' gal
For more evidence on what Harris really believes, I'm including his last statements on the tape. They just don't sound like a Nazi to me:

"I'm reminded back to the Holy Bible, now. I started looking back to what our Lord said, and what the angel said to brother John on the Isle of Patmos, all those many hundreds of years ago, almost, over 1900 years ago now. And he said, and the vials were opened, and the plagues were poured out on mankind. And in the 18th chapter of Revelations, it starts talking about the cities, how the cities become the habitat of every foul creature. It's strange, a hateful bird, vultures are not affected by anthrax. And certain types of dogs are seemingly immune to anthrax. These cities, the burning, could the burning be, that the only way to do anything with it, they're burning the corpses? And the merchants of the earth stand far off and wail, because of all their wealth, all their money, everything that they had is now gone? A single biological attack on New York City, and their stock market is gone. The paper money, the fiat money that we have, becomes essentially worthless. The economy that we have in this country is gone, disintegrated. It is time now, that the Christian community do two things.

"One, if you do not have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, it's time you got one. And it's time you get one in a very, very quick manner. If you do not have supplies of antibiotics, do not know how to deal with biological weapons, we have the books available, Bacteriological Warfare: A Major Threat to North America, these are available. Antibiotics, are now available, you can still get them at farmers' exchange, feed and grain stores, you can get it. But understand, everything, that God has ever written, from the prophets of old, coming forward through the Old Testament, to the appearance of our Lord, Jesus Christ, and everything that has appeared coming down through the ages, has come to pass. And, I now see, now, the Iraqi cells, we know the middle-eastern cells are here in this country. And if, let's just say that our security forces were able to go out and round up every single, solitary cell member, they found them all, they got them all, every single one. That still doesn't change things, because now the knowledge is out there. The biological genie has now been let out of the bottle by our own Central Intelligence Agency. Equipment is available from mail order supply, they know where to get it. Equipment is very easy to obtain. And so, if they stop every cell, which they're not going to, they're not going to-- if they stop them all, it still does not prevent a biological disaster from being released almost at any time. So folks, we're at the point in time in history, it is time to, one, to get on a right course with the Lord, and two, to get your household in order.

"And, I will go to the close, with referring to Ezekiel, in 33, and it says, "that a people, a watchman, they put the watchman on the tower. And if the watchman see the sword come, and he blows the trumpet, and the person hears the trumpet blow and does not heed the warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, he has been taken away for iniquities' sake. If, however, the person hears the trumpet being blown and flees, then his life is spared, he preserves his life. If the watchman sees the sword coming and doesn't blow the horn, and the sword comes and takes the people away, they've been taken away for iniquities' sake, but I will require the blood of that person at the watchman's hand." Microbiologists in this country, the diagnostic microbiologists, are the biological watchmen on the wall. And we're now blowing the trumpet as loud and as hard as we can possibly blow the trumpet. I've heard people say that, "Oh God would not bring this great scourge down upon this nation." This nation was a Christian nation at one time. Even Supreme Court hearings, at the turn of the century, said this is a Christian nation, at that time. And people try to say that God would not bring the scourge down upon the land. What did he do to Sodom and Gomorrah? And if God does not judge this country, He is going to have to raise Sodom and Gomorroh back up and apologize. You know something? Reading through the whole Bible, I've never met, found one passage, where God has ever apologized to anyone. So now folks, your blood is upon your own hands, mine are clean. You have been warned. I can do no more. Good day."

I might also mention an interesting thought. Some people think the plagues of Egypt were diseases such as anthrax and smallpox. Exodus 9:8-10 says: "And the LORD said unto Moses and unto Aaron, Take to you handfuls of ashes of the furnace, and let Moses sprinkle it toward heaven in the sight of Pharaoh. And it shall become small dust in all the land of Egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains (sores) upon man, and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt. And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast." This sounds like smallpox, and the very means by which Moses infects Egypt, by scattering the dust in the wind, is exactly the means by which biowarfare is spread. And then as Harris says above, in Revelation 17 an angel will pour out a vials of plague and people will develop boils and want to die and not be able to (Rev. 9:6). This is again a perfect description of smallpox, in which the victim's body is covered with awful boils but he does not die quickly.

186 posted on 09/28/2001 5:05:45 AM PDT by jedediah smith
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To: jedediah smith
Thanks, Jed. I think instead of going "over there" right off the bat, we should stay here and root out the cells. I am not sure we can handle both tasks at the same time and not leave other avenues wide open with which to harm us.
187 posted on 09/28/2001 9:40:19 AM PDT by mancini
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To: jedediah smith
truth bump
188 posted on 09/30/2001 11:37:02 PM PDT by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
I also found the following exchange in a published interview Harris did:

Question: What ever happened to Mariam Arif? Do you know?

Harris: Yes. Actually, CNN came in to interview me just before the Atlanta Olympics in April 1997, and again they were using voice stress analysis too, and they found out I was telling the truth. And they got me to give an extremely accurate description of Mariam, very detailed. By this time, the government had over 12,000 U.S. agents looking for her. She was finally apprehended on May the 16th in Atlanta. The cell she was with were in preparation for carrying out a germ warfare attack on the Olympic games. If that attack had taken place, we probably would have lost anywhere from 20 to 25 million people, and there would have been a zone of death about 80 miles wide, from Atlanta, depending upon how the wind was blowing, all the way to the sea. So they did apprehend her. I didn't see it, but I am told CNN showed a brief piece on her arrest with the 10 other members of her cell team, but then nothing else has been said of the arrest since.

189 posted on 10/06/2001 9:10:48 AM PDT by jedediah smith
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To: MooCollins
You might find this of interest, also from the same interview as above:

Question: How can people protect themselves?

Harris: It is best to have a good supply of antibiotics on hand. Tetracycline or oxytetracycline is very effective against anthrax, if you are able to start using it before you contract a serious infection from these biological agents. This means to start using it the moment you know of a germ warfare attack against your area. This antibiotic is available at dirt cheap prices from your local farmers exchange. You can get a pouch of it under the name of Teramycin soluble powder, which has 102 grams in it. It says on the bag "Not for human consumption." But I called Pfizer themselves, and they told me it is identical to the stuff they sell to the drug stores. And where you would pay about $14 at your local farmers exchange, the same amount would cost you as much as $1,400 from a local pharmacy, with a doctor's prescription.

190 posted on 10/06/2001 9:16:10 AM PDT by jedediah smith
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To: jedediah smith
I must have a different Larry Harris video.
Mine gives specific dates of when Iraq's 100 terrorist cells will strike:
specifically, after the war is declared (and it has been) they will strike on the full moon in Ramadam.

That's specifically Nov. 28-30, with the big one on Nov. 30th.

Does anybody think the FBI has this video, or should I give it to them?
Someone needs to clunk them over the head, and tell them to wake up.

191 posted on 10/24/2001 9:25:48 AM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: jedediah smith; medved; stand watie
bump
192 posted on 10/24/2001 9:33:28 AM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: japaneseghost
clunking will NOT help with the FB&I!

only ABOLISHING that bunch of arrogant, ignorant, liberty-hating keystone kops will do the trick!

then return the jobs currently mis-handled to the 50 state police agencies.

for LIBERTY & dixie,sw

193 posted on 10/24/2001 10:17:35 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Jolly Rodgers
More information at http://www.uhuh.com/reports/harris/silence.htm -- says Harris is being "neutralized" by the government.
194 posted on 10/28/2001 12:17:15 PM PST by memsahib
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To: mancini; Nita Nupress; OwenKellogg
Replay bump.
195 posted on 12/14/2001 8:49:43 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
Oh, boy. I had forgotten about this guy.

Glad you here to remind me :-)

196 posted on 12/14/2001 10:46:56 AM PST by mancini
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To: rdavis84
Uh . . . make that "glad you'RE here."
197 posted on 12/14/2001 10:52:21 AM PST by mancini
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To: jedediah smith
Sounds like they have tested the waters. Hope they enjoy the sudden warming trend in Bhagdad when they unleash their dogs.
198 posted on 12/14/2001 10:59:33 AM PST by js1138
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To: mancini;rdavis84
Deatbed tails of XXXXXXXXXXX agent.

Audio and Video required

199 posted on 12/14/2001 11:00:20 AM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: jedediah smith
OK... The problems start in the first paragraph of the Larry's account. The "great swine flu epidemic of 1918" was really "Spanish Flu epedemic of 1918". The "Bring out your dead" line is from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Methinks that the rest of Larry's story is likely to be as far-fetched as the idea of two European Swallows carrying a coconut between them from the tropics to England.
200 posted on 12/14/2001 11:09:02 AM PST by Redcloak
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