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Canada could have an answer to U.S. oil woes
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Posted on 09/30/2001 5:36:15 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Vigilanteman
My nephew is a Chemical Engineer employed at the Dakota Coal Gasification plant in Beulah North Dakota. They produce nautral gas from lighnite (soft) coal and are also selling CO2 to Canada for tertiary oil recovery and Ammonia to fertilizer manufacturers.
In the early 80s the development of alternative energy sources was stymied by OPEC. Once they realized that their artificially high oil prices would stimulate alternative energy sources they lowered their price. Wind mills, coal gasification and other technologies were put on the shelf. Let's hope that VP Cheney can develope a comprehensive energy policy. Then we can tell OPEC what to do with their oil.
You know, the Athabaska Tars in Canada are a tremendous source of crude as are the Orinoco Tars of Venezuela. With a concerted industrial program for this hemisphere we could reshape the world, industrialize our neighbors to the south and solve a multitude of problems that confront us.
To: CSSAlabama
If we "kick their ass and take their gas," as the slogan goes, I think we'd have to spend the oil profits entirely on human rights work and nation building in the Middle East and Africa.
We aren't IMPERIALISTS anymore ;)
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posted on
09/30/2001 7:17:06 PM PDT
by
xm177e2
To: aculeus
At current levels of use, we have an estimated 1,000 year supply of NATURAL GAS in the Gulf of Mexico
ALONE. Converting a gasoline engine to Liquified Natural Gas is a relatively inexpensive process.
LNG burns more cleanly than gasoline.
Why haven't we converted to LNG?
Start asking questions about that of your congresscritter and any oil company exec you can corner.
To: aculeus
If it was economic to extract the oil from Canada, the market would do so. We wouldn't need a bunch of loser policy geeks to "decide" that we should get the oil.
Besides, why use up our oil now, I say lets use the arabs, and we'll use ours when they run out.
To: Vigilanteman
My nephew is a Chemical Engineer employed at the Dakota Coal Gasification plant in Beulah North Dakota. They produce nautral gas from lighnite (soft) coal and are also selling CO2 to Canada for tertiary oil recovery and Ammonia to fertilizer manufacturers.
In the early 80s the development of alternative energy sources was stymied by OPEC. Once they realized that their artificially high oil prices would stimulate alternative energy sources they lowered their price. Wind mills, coal gasification and other technologies were put on the shelf. Let's hope that VP Cheney can develope a comprehensive energy policy. Then we can tell OPEC what to do with their oil.
You know, the Athabaska Tars in Canada are a tremendous source of crude as are the Orinoco Tars of Venezuela. With a concerted industrial program for this hemisphere we could reshape the world, industrialize our neighbors to the south and solve a multitude of problems that confront us.
To: Rodney King
If it was economic to extract the oil from Canada, the market would do so. The "economics" are based on Islam's need for your money. Right now they need a lot of your money. It is comforting to them that you are in full support of their "economics".
We wouldn't need a bunch of loser policy geeks to "decide" that we should get the oil. Besides, why use up our oil now, I say lets use the arabs, and we'll use ours when they run
The "loser policy geeks" are the ones that in the 1980's decided it was OK to undo the policy of stemming the money being hemorrhaged to Islam in return for "cheap" oil. Big oil concurred. Lefty Econ profs wearing sandals and tie dyed tee shirts concurred. It was a real love fest.
You are in good company. The next time you fill up your tank so you can burn it up in a traffic jam going to work, think about how much you just contributed to the Iranian and Pakistani atomic bomb programs.
To: xm177e2
Maybe so, but not until we covered the cost of rebuilding the WTC & Penatagon, the USS Cole, the emabassies, a "reasonable" amount of compensation to the families, punitive damages to cover the added costs of security and the disruption of our way of life. Maybe some for the stock losses and unemployment caused as well. Then maybe we could think of a Marshall Plan.
To: Hamiltonian
Uh, sorry, no. The reason why we buy oil from the middle east is because it is cheaper. Do you really think that Texaco would forgo the opportunity to buy cheaper oil in canada in order to undercut exxon/mobil at the bump and gain bigger market shere if they could?
You can bitch about it all you want, but the reason why we buy oil from the middle east is that it is cheaper. When it is cheaper to buy the oil from canada, either because we can extract it more cheaply, or because the price of M.E. oil has gone up, then we will do so.
To: aculeus
and it seemed especially ridiculous given that some OPEC countries can produce a barrel of oil for about $5 or less. US crude oil consumption is about 20 million barrels a day or 7.3 billion barrels per year. I would estimate that DoD spending to ensure its flow exceeds $10 / barrel or $73 B per year. So if military costs are figured in, Alberta tar sands would seem to be cheaper that Middle Eastern oil.
To: aculeus
Plenty of oil in lower 48 plus offshore anyway. Bullsh-t is the main thing stopping it. This "energy runnng out" crapola has got to stop. All P.C. B. S. PHD.
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posted on
09/30/2001 7:44:15 PM PDT
by
Waco
To: Rodney King
Hey Rodney,heard you got picked up on a drug charge in Pomona...but I do agree with your assessment. Plus I like the idea of using up the camel jockey's oil first before we start using our own.
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To: Young Werther
There are decades of energy locked up in the coals of North Dakota alone. Have you ever seen the operation at Buelah? I understand it is a cracker-jack job. One of the few long lasting contributions of North Dakota's last Republican in Washington (RINO Mark Andrews) was passing the enabling legislation for that plant during the last energy crisis.
The eco-freaks fought it tooth and nail, one of whom (thankfully) was soundly defeated in her run for governor.
Some of the most rock-ribbed patriots you'll find are in those central North Dakota counties. I think even Pat Buchanan came close to double digit support in some of those areas.
The people there want to make a living off their land. The eco-freaks want to move them off and turn it into a giant buffalo and duck preserve. Some of the nastiest confrontations in the country have taken place in this area.
A good share of the settlers of these counties were Germans evicted by Russians from the Ukraine after they were invited to settle it in the 1820's, made it productive by the 1880's and then were driven off their land.
To: Vigilanteman
For what it's worth I have heard or read that there is a huge deposit of oil below the one that has and is being pumped in the L.A. Basin especially the Long Beach area. It is common to see oil wells in the backyards of homes in Orange County. Anyone else heard of this field? A large part of Southern and Ca. and the Bakersfield area have alot of oil. I believe the environmental weenies prevent it being pumped.
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posted on
09/30/2001 8:21:19 PM PDT
by
willyone
To: CSSAlabama
Of course.
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posted on
09/30/2001 8:24:16 PM PDT
by
xm177e2
To: Dick Bachert
Obviously those supplies haven't been tapped yet for some reason, or the price of natural gas wouldn't have gone sky high last winter.
To: Dick Bachert
Here is another simple idea that would help. Go to a four day work week. Ten hour days with one day a week with no commuter traffic. Within a month the price of crude would drop five bucks and gasoline twenty cents. And with all the fun being made of alternative generators even with the half assed approach that was used ten percent of Ca's. power came from those sources.
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posted on
09/30/2001 8:28:28 PM PDT
by
willyone
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To: Hamiltonian
I would like to add to your comments that the same thing is done by all those who hire illegal aliens because they work cheap. They may work cheap but the total cost of them being here is staggering. The ten bucks you save will end up costing you a hundred.
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posted on
09/30/2001 8:32:19 PM PDT
by
willyone
To: MinuteGal
(Canadians Against Pollution , Energy and Rightist Swindlers).LOL, And you don't have any such folks.........??
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