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Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!
Van Jenerette Editorial Comment, Various Publications ^ | Sunday, October 14, 2001 | Van Jenerette

Posted on 10/14/2001 7:45:23 PM PDT by Van Jenerette

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To: Van Jenerette
"Hand Salute"! Major.

Excellent piece. Mensa Society - In a crowded bio full of reasons to listen to what you have to say that line jumped off the page. We (America) needs you as a "talking head" for our side.

Greg Adams, Cpt., US Army (RIF'd)

101 posted on 10/15/2001 3:38:06 PM PDT by ImpBill
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To: Van Jenerette
Woohoo!! Van, anytime you'd like to run for Congress! Move to Hampton, Virginia and take over Bobby Scott's seat. I'd love to campaign for you and I'd love to see Bobby Scott get a real job that he's qualified for... at McDonald's for example.
102 posted on 10/15/2001 3:45:57 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: Willie Green
To demand that "Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!" is akin to demanding that the "Real Christianity Stand Up" under the assumption that since all Christian denominations read the same Christian Bible they should interpret the Bible the same way.

Say what?
Are you saying that if "Christian' extremists committed a deliberate crime as this murder of thousands of civilians, and claim this is commanded by Christ...that mainstream Christian leaders shouldn't come out and immediately condemn the atrocity as NOT representative of true Christianity?
That Christian doctrine is so fluid and subject to interpretation that Christian teachers and leaders cannot know, or make a public statement as to who is or isn't representing Christianity?
You're kidding..right?

103 posted on 10/15/2001 7:17:35 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Willie Green
However, I am requesting that JimRob monitor your postings closely. This is his forum, and ultimately, he is the one who decides if he wishes to facilitate your highly self-promotional writings.

"facilitate your highly self-promotional writings"????

I'm sure "self-promotion" is high on the list of JimRob's FR message board no-no's. LOL

104 posted on 10/15/2001 7:26:12 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Willie Green; Van Jenerette; Commonsense
However, I am requesting that JimRob monitor your postings closely. This is his forum, and ultimately, he is the one who decides if he wishes to facilitate your highly self-promotional writings.

If Van starts having "problems" posting his articles, I have no doubt that I, and other SC Freepers, will find his articles, and post them.

105 posted on 10/15/2001 8:08:46 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox
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To: Van Jenerette
Bookmark for later reading.

It has struck me that (A) we're being told constantly (as I want to believe) that these creatures do not represent Islam and are not real Muslims; yet (B) at the same time, all those people in Pakistan and elsewhere protest what we're doing to the Taliban, beccause (help me out here) they're Muslims!

What am I missing?

Dan

106 posted on 10/15/2001 8:15:00 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Thanks for the heads up!
107 posted on 10/15/2001 9:12:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Willie Green

"Not engage in fanning the flames of war."

Just in case you hadn't noticed...

WE ARE AT WAR!

The flames of war were sufficiently fanned on 9/11/01 in New York, Washington, and Pennsylvania. And now with anthrax breaking out all over the place, guess what:

THE FLAMES OF WAR
ARE GOING TO GET
HOTTER!

None of this - of course - through any choice of our own.

Time to wake up and smell the mountain roast!

108 posted on 10/15/2001 9:57:07 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: Van Jenerette
Great post...bttt
109 posted on 10/15/2001 11:09:15 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Willie Green
I expect somebody with professional training in Sociology to be able to constuctively explain those distinctions to the general populace
I think the whole thrust of his article was to ask the question of the Muslim world. It's up to THEM to explain themselves, not him!

The Muslim apologists want to present this monolithic image to the world (strength in numbers), so they have got to explain (and condemn) the fringe. If they do not (or cannot) then WE are entitled to 'ignore the man behind the curtain.'

110 posted on 10/16/2001 4:33:58 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Van Jenerette
Peaceful people who doe not speak out about the murder of innocents in the name of their religion are neither peaceful or religious - they are cowards. The term idiots rest more with the mass of silent 'Muslims' than with honest Americans of any faith.

Amen to that.
A very well written piece. Thank you for sharing it with us. Please alert me to any other columns you write and post here.

111 posted on 10/16/2001 5:04:29 AM PDT by KDD
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To: Elsie
The Muslim apologists want to present this monolithic image to the world (strength in numbers), so they have got to explain (and condemn) the fringe. If they do not (or cannot) then WE are entitled to 'ignore the man behind the curtain.'

The truth is, the so-called "fringe" constitutes a significant proportion of the population of these countries. And they are, by western standards, primitive, illiterate and tribal. In contrast, the more affluent, educated and moderate elements of these societies are the ones with whom President Bush has fashioned a fragile coalition with which to fight terrorism.

There are many issues on which I strongly disagree with the Bush administration's policies. But I have nothing but admiration for the manner in which he has handled the military operation to date.

It is in support of President Bush's strategy that I strongly condemn Mr. Jenerette's essay. Mr. Jenerette chooses to ignore that the moderate Islamic leaders HAVE condemned the atrocities committed by the extremist factions. And it is Mr. Jenerette's portrayal of an Islamic "monolithic image" and insistance for stronger condemnation of the "fringe" that fails to recognize the tightrope that must be walked by the various governments. IMHO, Mr. Jenerette's rant is irresponsible and risks the stability of the coalition and of many governments in the region.

112 posted on 10/16/2001 1:17:12 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
But I have nothing but admiration for the manner in which he has handled the military operation to date.

It is in support of President Bush's strategy that I strongly condemn Mr. Jenerette's essay.


Uhhh......... how can you hold BOTH of these opposing viewpoints?
I shudder to hear Bush say that Islam is a peaceful religion, but I do know that there is a very fragile rope he has to walk: blasting the bad guys while trying to keep from rileing up the 'good' ones too much.
I just re-read this: It is in support of President Bush's strategy that I strongly condemn Mr. Jenerette's essay.

I can take this two ways.....
Meaning that YOU are supporting BUSH's tactics so far, or
that you are upset 'cause VJ is?


(I'm confused!)
113 posted on 10/16/2001 3:42:18 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Willie Green
I strongly condemn Mr. Jenerette's essay. Mr. Jenerette chooses to ignore that the moderate Islamic leaders HAVE condemned the atrocities committed by the extremist factions.

Willie, Willie, Willie....It's really good to hear from you so soon. I figured that you couldn't resist to add another comment. That's good because you are really starting to connect the dots. Let me help the discussion along:

#1) I asked questions and even numbered them for someone qualified to answer.

#2) I have studied the middle east for enough years to actually know the answers to my questions(these questions were meant to 'provoke' a response - I know that no Muslim will publicly answer these questions; not directly; only in a roundabout evasive way)

#3) I actually know something about political strategy and I understand what the president is trying doing with his coalition...I't won't work! It's a time buyer only.

#4) I have read the 'proclamations of the so-called 'moderate' Muslim's - and most of them are propaganda about-face moves, worded in such a way to gain political leverage and yet remain secure if Bin Laden gets away with his actions(read what these same 'moderates' have said over the past, say, 10-years. You'll find that their present moderation is inconsistant with their past actions and words.

#5) I realize one important thing that perhaps you don't - we are at war - any flames that are being 'fanned' have been blazing since 9/11. I intend to fight these bastard's fire for fire....

Finally Willie, I have given you every opportunity to back out of this argument...so let me clue you in on Islam - the religion, the concept of Islamic law - and the structure of how it really works. It is not monolitic by any stretch of the imagination - so the 'real' Islam can't really stand up. Islam is a combination religion slash way of life that while rigid in it's written doctrine, it is exercised by a plethora of 'free agents' who come in the shape of imams, mullahs and clerics - worst of all they ALL think that their application is the TRUE application(notice I did not say INTERPRETATION). Islam is a rigid literal religion and an even more rigid body of law with a circular ability to sustain itself by it's non-monolitic construction.

Wow Willie...this is precisely what makes this war so dangerous. I'm sorry if when you read my editorial commentary you thought that by my questions that I was actually confused. It was a commentary meant to illustrate how much BS is floating around the meda today about the true nature of the enemy we are facing!

Well, my 2-month old is crying and I have to run. Don't worry, Willie, I'll let you know when I write another commentary. You'll just love it ...I'm sure.

best regards - Van Jenerette

www.jenerette.com

114 posted on 10/16/2001 8:23:32 PM PDT by Van Jenerette
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To: Elsie
IMHO, Mr. Jenerette has chosen to contradict the policy established by his Commander-in-Chief in the prosecution of this war. While President Bush has worked admirably to construct a fragile coalition within this factious region, and is insistant that this war is NOT against Islam, Mr. Jenerette is hellbent on painting Moslems with a broad brush and making the Islamic religion the issue.
115 posted on 10/16/2001 8:33:21 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Yup, I think you're almost right. But HE can contradict the Chief*, mainly because HE does not have to hold this tiger by a string.

He can say what is the truth so that WE can get up to speed and not be lulled into complacency.

HE is showing how WIDE the 'practice' of Islam is compared to how NARROW the 'writings' are.


Van Jenerette is a Senior Policy adivisor to U.S. Rep. Henry Brown, 1st Congressional District, South Carolina. He served as a Congressional Staff Assistant to U.S. Rep. Arthur Ravenel, Jr., 1st Congressional District, South Carolina from 1992 to 1994 and was a candidate for the 1st District Congressional seat in the 2000 election. He is a U.S. Army veteran and the father of six children.
(Not under Bushes command)
116 posted on 10/16/2001 9:45:11 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Willie Green
Maj.Jenerette is asking legitimate questions of the media and our goverment spokesmen. He didn't paint with any brush; he asked questions. If the questions make you uncomfortable, then you must ask yourself why.

Since 50% or more of Muslims believe that the Jews are guilty of 911, then exactly who are the Muslim clerics condemning, Bin Laden or the Jews? Heard any fatwas lately?

117 posted on 10/17/2001 5:28:31 AM PDT by rebdov
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To: Van Jenerette
Great Article- I think this should be posted ALL OVER THE WORLD- forward this to everyone you know, maybe even get you some 'face time' on TV (How woudl you feel about that? -I know I would be uncomfortable, because I have a 'face for radio' ...)
118 posted on 10/17/2001 6:18:43 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Willie Green
All I want to know is which group of Moslems want to kill me/us .
119 posted on 10/17/2001 12:14:38 PM PDT by angry beaver norbert
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To: Elsie
But HE can contradict the Chief*, mainly because HE...

(Not under Bushes command)

Well Mr. Jenerette certainly has the 1st Amendment right to express his own opinion. Nevertheless, he has also stated that he is " on a mobilization call up list for return to Army active duty".

Additionally, we can refer to the following quotes from Mr. Jenerette:

" I actually know something about political strategy and I understand what the president is trying doing with his coalition...I't won't work! It's a time buyer only."

"I realize one important thing that perhaps you don't - we are at war - any flames that are being 'fanned' have been blazing since 9/11. I intend to fight these bastard's fire for fire...."

Now I certainly do NOT question Mr. Jenerette's loyalty or patriotism. And there is no doubt in my mind that, if called to active duty, he would immediately "get with the program".

However, I would also be a lot more comfortable if he wasn't so eager to engage over 1 billion Muslims in the battle of Armageddon. This war is about fighting terrorism, NOT Islam.

120 posted on 10/17/2001 1:02:25 PM PDT by Willie Green
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