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Post Here Evidence that Some in Muslim Community Had Prior Knowledge of 9-11 Attack

Posted on 10/17/2001 10:48:30 AM PDT by honway

Police: Student spoke of attacks before Sept. 11...

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Source: The Journal News
Published: 10-11-01 Author: JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
Posted on 10/11/01 10:37 AM Pacific by Demian

BROOKLYN — Authorities are tracking numerous leads that some people, including members of the Arab-American community, heard rumors of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in the days leading up to the hijackings, law enforcement sources say. "There have been leads where someone has alleged to have heard someone else boasting about how the attack was going to happen before it happened," said Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI in Manhattan.

In Brooklyn, a high school freshman who recently immigrated from Pakistan was investigated by federal agents after his teacher reported that he had predicted the Trade Center's collapse a week before the towers were attacked.

The student pointed out a third-story window of New Utrecht High School toward the Trade Center and said, "Do you see those two buildings? They won't be standing there next week," according to three police sources and a city official familiar with the investigation. They said the comment came in the midst of a heated political discussion the student was having with his teacher in an English class for Arab-American students.

New York City Board of Education spokeswoman Catie Marshall confirmed that school officials reported the matter to police within minutes of the Sept. 11 attack.

The boy's teacher, Antoinette DeLorenzo, declined to comment, but students said that FBI agents and NYPD detectives descended on the school on Sept. 13 to interrogate the student and others in his class.

Brooke Lillman, a 15-year-old sophomore, said that when the news of the attack began circulating in the school, DeLorenzo locked her classroom door, fearing her students could be attacked by their peers.

A veteran city police detective familiar with the case said investigators have been learning that many people in New York's Arab-American community had heard rumors about the Sept. 11 attacks before they occurred.

The officer said the story "had been out on the street," and the number of leads turning up was so "overwhelming" that it was difficult to tell who had heard about the attacks from second-hand sources and who had heard it from someone who may have been a participant.

For example, since Sept. 11, various leads have been investigated regarding Middle Eastern employees who may not have shown up for work at the World Trade Center that morning.

One detective conducting such investigations in Brooklyn said they had become "a serious and major priority."

According to a recent report on the Sept. 11 attacks issued by the British government, intelligence sources have found that Osama bin Laden himself made comments before Sept. 11 that "he was preparing a major attack on America," and warned many of his associates to return to Afghanistan by Sept. 10. The report further states that known associates of bin Laden were naming Sept. 11 as a date of action.

Federal agents who visited the New Utrecht school questioned the student and his older brother, who also attends there, the sources said. Afterward, the agents tried to question their father, who chastised them for harassing his children, they said.

Police sources said that, after the interviews, the boy's father left for Pakistan. After his departure, investigators conducted a second interview with the boy and his mother, who told them that her son was having psychological problems.

The boy and his brother have returned to school, but police said the FBI discussed keeping them under surveillance.

School officials closed the school on Sept. 12, but FBI agents and city police combed the building the following day. They searched the backpacks and lockers of various students with Middle Eastern backgrounds, and spent several hours interviewing them in a locked room.

"There were cops all over the building," said Julian Sulaj, a 17-year old senior at the school. "It was security to the max."

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Washington, D.C., said Brooklyn has the largest population of Arab-Americans in New York City.

According to a federal indictment against bin Laden, FBI agents have linked the former Alkifah Refugee Center on Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue to the Saudi fugitive-exile's terrorist network, al-Qaida.


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Please post on this thread any link or information that provides evidence that some in the Muslim community had prior knowledge of the 9-11 attack. Newspaper accounts or first hand experience would be appreciated. I think it is important to record this information while the event is relatively recent.
1 posted on 10/17/2001 10:48:30 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
bttt
2 posted on 10/17/2001 10:51:13 AM PDT by beekeeper
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To: honway
HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com

| Sept. 19, 2001, 9:26PM

Boy in Dallas suburb predicts start of WW III day before attacks

By R.G. RATCLIFFE Copyright 2001 Houston Chronicle

Boy in Dallas suburb predicts start of WW III day before attacks

The day before terrorists attacked New York and Washington, a fifth-grader in a Dallas suburb told his teacher World War III would begin the next day, school officials have told the FBI.

The boy was absent from school the day of the attacks, Sept. 11, and the following day, but has been at school since then, said Rhonda Lucich, a director of elementary education for the Garland Independent School District.

Lucich said the boy approached his teacher on the afternoon of Sept. 10 and casually told her:

"Tomorrow, World War III will begin. It will begin in the United States, and the United States will lose."

3 posted on 10/17/2001 10:51:44 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Call Mulder and Scully. And that Doggett guy too.
4 posted on 10/17/2001 10:53:30 AM PDT by Darth Reagan
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To: honway
Islamic Calendar Showed Plane Crashing Near Manhattan
5 posted on 10/17/2001 10:54:39 AM PDT by honway
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To: Darth Reagan
Miss Cleo didn't know did she?
6 posted on 10/17/2001 10:57:30 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: honway
I also heard that during that morning, when Manhattan is usually lined end to end by yellow cabs, there was not a cab to be found. It was as if they had all just disappeared.

50 posted on 10/17/01 8:08 AM Pacific by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh

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A source or first hand experience to confirm this would be appreciated.

7 posted on 10/17/2001 10:58:54 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway

8 posted on 10/17/2001 11:00:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: honway
Actually, there's doubt as to how much of the story is accurate: Boy predicts World War III

The plane story is true, but it's unclear as to whether it was an actual adavnce warning of the Sept. 11 attacks.

9 posted on 10/17/2001 11:00:48 AM PDT by Slayer
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To: honway
I saw the Islamic calendar from Egypt obtained in the Netherlands that showed a drawing of a jet aircraft plummeting toward the skyscapers of New York City. The caption said something like "Let my fate be in Allah's hands". This was featured on Brit Hume's show and sourced from newsmax.com, I think. This calendar was printed in Egypt for 2001 I believe, with an eeriely similar view of what the terrorists actually finally did on Sept 11th. We are told Egypt is our "ally" in the war against fundamentalist extremist Islamic terrorism and they have even been defended as such here by posters no less than one called "George W. Bush". I can only hope the real Bush isn't as ignorant and naive as that one. Egypt is an ally of terrorism, our enemy, and must be dealt with as such.
10 posted on 10/17/2001 11:02:08 AM PDT by Imperial Warrior
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To: honway
I saw last night on either Fox or CNN that European authorities are investigating a Muslim calendar that featured a plane crashing into Manhatten and the words "We place our fate in God's hands" for the month of September. The implication was that the calendars had been out for some time, thus predicting the attack.

They showed a picture of the calendar page in question. The actual copies of the calendar were found in a Muslim school in Belgium or something like that.

11 posted on 10/17/2001 11:04:07 AM PDT by the Wayne
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Miss Cleo didn't know did she?

This is not a question of fortune telling.

The question is did the planners of 9-11 warn members of the Muslim community to prevent harm to fellow Muslims. The massive short selling of United and American Airlines indicate many knew before hand. The purpose here is to try to determine how widespread that warning was and why the information was not provided to the proper authorities.

12 posted on 10/17/2001 11:04:51 AM PDT by honway
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To: Diogenesis
Thanks for the graphic and the confirmation. Now we should point our guns towards Egypt and its infrastructures. They are different from their militant extremist neighbors only in words, not deeds and alliances.
13 posted on 10/17/2001 11:05:11 AM PDT by Imperial Warrior
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To: honway
Newspaper accounts or first hand experience would be appreciated.

I think it was around the middle of last week (Oct. 10?) when Michael Medved recounted the
story of his brother's business associate in NYC getting an indirect warning on the evening
of Sept. 10. It was apparently a "loose lips" slip from the children of the
Muslim family who lived next door.
The business associate survived Sept. 11 (I can't remember if he actually
worked in the WTC towers), but called the FBI immediately. The Muslim family had
cleared out sometime during the night of Sept. 10 or very early Sept. 11.

Sounds like a "I know a friend who knows a friend" story, but Medved is such a
straight arrow on facts, I did pay attention to this one.
(Contact for The Micheal Medved Show at www.michaelmedved.com)
14 posted on 10/17/2001 11:05:59 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
That is the kind of information that is helpful and if is not recorded now it will be lost.

There seems to be considerable evidence that many members of the Muslim community knew in advance of the attack. My wife works in an office building and a Muslim co-worker sits behind her. The Muslim lady rarely misses work and she was there on 9-10 and 9-12, but absent on 9-11. When asked why she missed work she said she had something to do. I wonder how common this is for Muslims working in office buildings

15 posted on 10/17/2001 11:12:15 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
I was listening to Imus' show on Sept. 14 and a man called in from Queens and said, 1)there were no cabs on the street in Queens the morning of Sept. 11, but after the attacks several Middle Eastern cab drivers had congregated there and were celebrating; and 2) a friend of his owned a deli a block away from the WTC; he had six Middle Eastern employees and none of them showed up for work on Sept. 11. This guy heard it first hand from his friend who owned the deli, not second or third hand. This was the first time I had heard any stories like this, so I thought at the time it was probably a hoax -- but now I am not so sure! I hope someone from the FBI has contacted this guy and gotten to the bottom of it.
16 posted on 10/17/2001 11:12:53 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers
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To: honway
There was a NY Post article on this, but I can't find it now.
17 posted on 10/17/2001 11:14:38 AM PDT by Fixit
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To: honway
So the Paki father chastises the American cops for being mean to his kid, and then Daddy takes off overseas and the kid returns to his American school. This is what Homeland Security is all about? Forget it!
18 posted on 10/17/2001 11:15:14 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: honway
I think the muslims having their lawn chairs ready along the piers over in Jersey was a dead giveaway.
19 posted on 10/17/2001 11:15:28 AM PDT by SGCOS
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To: Imperial Warrior
This was featured on Brit Hume's show and sourced from newsmax.com
Why doesn't Brit get his news from seances? After all the dead tell no tales, but newsmax never stops.
20 posted on 10/17/2001 11:18:26 AM PDT by Sparticle
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Thanks for the post. That is the kind of information that is useful.
21 posted on 10/17/2001 11:19:31 AM PDT by honway
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To: SGCOS
Having Muslim mosque leaders speak at public memorial services for the people who died in the Sept. 11 attacks is a gross insult to Americans.
22 posted on 10/17/2001 11:23:53 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ecomcon
If you come across any information concerning Muslim prior warning of the attack, please post it here. Seems like the short selling story went away. I guess they didn't like the answer to the question as to why United and American were sold short by so many.
23 posted on 10/17/2001 11:25:14 AM PDT by honway
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To: swampfx
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24 posted on 10/17/2001 11:26:29 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
You guys have already posted everything I have on this.

But this is a concept that should be filed away in our minds as one of those "early warning" signs. If you live in an area with a Muslim population large enough that you usually see them in a particular place (the grocery store, for example) you need to take note if they are not there. To stay aware, we may have to learn to watch for what's missing as well as looking for what shouldn't be there...

25 posted on 10/17/2001 11:27:45 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: honway
Why else is new? I heard & read about it in the papers three weeks ahead of September 11th.

Where was our 30 Billion dollar intelligence's?

26 posted on 10/17/2001 11:28:58 AM PDT by lute
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
If you run across any prior knowledge evidence, please provide a link here.
27 posted on 10/17/2001 11:30:29 AM PDT by honway
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This is a friend of a friend story, but I'll share anyway. My friend's sister lives in Oregon. She had Pakastani neighbors. The families were pretty friendly for quite some time. A month before the attack, my friend's sister was sharing plans about a trip to NY. The Pakastani father became very curious asking many questions. When she mentioned the WTC the Paki guy said "Just don't go on a Tuesday." After 9/11, the sister immediatly called the FBI. When they got to the neighborhood, the Pakastani family was gone without a trace. I wouldn't share this unless I was fairly confident that it was accurate.
28 posted on 10/17/2001 11:45:33 AM PDT by noloveforlibs
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To: Slayer
Boy in Dallas Suburb Predicts Start of WWIII Day Before the Attacks

I think this may be a better link for the facts.
I don't believe in fortune tellers.

I do believe many in the Muslim community were warned in advance by fellow Muslims that knew there would be an attack and the adults remained silent. The silence of those that knew in advance now bonds them with those that wish to destroy us.

29 posted on 10/17/2001 11:49:20 AM PDT by honway
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--this is a "what if". suppose *some* of this massive "short selling" starts to point back to western whiteguy businessmen eventually? Businessmen in high places or in former "connected" high places? Or perhaps in a middle eastern so called 'biggest ally" place? then what? rhetorical question, One answer if it's "yes" is that there will be a lot of tinfoil commentary and denial.

Notice, said maybe, if, stuff like that. I don't discount anything anymore after watching the clinton administration more or less skate on all sorts of issues including high level treason and arkanicide.

Personally, I believe some factions-some-in government did in fact know about this. Like, faa has reports of 4 planes hijacked, it takes 58 minutes to get fighter jets in the air. other reports going back years of warnings, and ignored lax airport security. Warnings about terrorists in conus ignored. etc. etc.

Makes ya go hm-m-m-m-m

I have no absolute proof of course, but then again, have no absolute proof of any other scandals of the past, from jfk whack on to today, but that one convinced me we have high level mercenary traitors in government, who can get away with assassinating a president, so I put nothing past them or their progeny. Even if this was a 100% pure unadulterated osama bin laden job, I still think it's looks suspicious and some of these bad guy traitor factions will take advantage of the fact, somehow.

My two rolls of reynolds wrap worth.

30 posted on 10/17/2001 11:59:03 AM PDT by zog
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Thanks for the information, that is helpful. This is really the only kind of forum that I know of that can collect this sort of information across a broad geographical area.

I was hoping exposure on the Front Page would assist in collecting the information , but the post was removed from the front page for understandable reasons. I respect their judgement. However, if we were able to assemble sufficient information for a reasonable person to conclude that there was a warning that went out widespread to many practicing Muslims across the country, I think that information could be useful in the strategy to win the long war ahead.

31 posted on 10/17/2001 12:02:25 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Here's a link to a local news station's report. This sounds suspicious to me.

Attack Prediction?

32 posted on 10/17/2001 12:05:04 PM PDT by Carlucci
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I wonder if Khoury is telling all?
I am glad this guy was arrested.
33 posted on 10/17/2001 12:09:18 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Yes, but my link also contained the follow-up story to the one you linked to. The FBI already checked this out and decided it wasn't worth investigating.

Is it possible that some Muslim knew in advance the attack were going to happen? Sure. But I think the search for those people would be helped if people actually had some concrete evidence instead of just posting variations on urban legends and things they heard on talk radio or from a "friend of a friend".

34 posted on 10/17/2001 12:09:20 PM PDT by Slayer
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To: zog
this is a "what if". suppose *some* of this massive "short selling" starts to point back to western whiteguy businessmen eventually

My guess is we will never find out who was short selling.

I think OBL had help from Saddam and other terrorist organizations.

35 posted on 10/17/2001 12:14:02 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Further information has shown this published account to be not accurate, according to the teacher.
36 posted on 10/17/2001 12:17:43 PM PDT by Savage Rider
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To: Slayer
I agree. Attendance records of all employees in the buildings adjacent to the WTC that survived would be a good place to start. A serious inquiry by the FBI into the unplanned absence of all Muslims working in the vicinity of the WTC on 9-11 would be step two. You think I should hold my breath?
37 posted on 10/17/2001 12:19:46 PM PDT by honway
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Which story is inaccurate? A source would be appreciated. The Houston Chronicle is usually good.
38 posted on 10/17/2001 12:21:41 PM PDT by honway
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Here is an article on James Woods and the terrorist attack.

Actor James Woods: 'Forget Political Correctness'
by Scott Hogenson

15 Oct, 2001
 (CNSNews.com)  - Actor James Woods, who...

Go to http://www.CNSNEWS.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200110\NAT20011015b.html to view the full story.
 

39 posted on 10/17/2001 12:26:55 PM PDT by higgmeister
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Great article and great quote:

Forget political correctness," said Woods. "Our lives are at stake, be vigilant."

40 posted on 10/17/2001 12:46:11 PM PDT by honway
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The Muslim lady rarely misses work and she was there on 9-10 and 9-12, but absent
on 9-11. When asked why she missed work she said she had something to do.

Isn't this just a coincidence?

41 posted on 10/17/2001 12:54:12 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: swampfx
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42 posted on 10/17/2001 12:57:24 PM PDT by honway
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To: ValerieUSA
Having Muslim mosque leaders speak at public memorial services for the
people who died in the Sept. 11 attacks is a gross insult to Americans.

Why? There was a Muslim cleric at the National Cathedral as I recall.

43 posted on 10/17/2001 12:58:33 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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Isn't this just a coincidence?

There are two possible explanations:

1. All the Muslims that missed work and school did so by coincidence.

2. Some missed work because there was a general warning sent through out the Muslim community that there would be an attack on 9-11.

The news accounts above support the latter. A statistical analysis of the unplanned absences of Muslims working around the World Trade Center would establish if all the absences were coincidence or not. I will never know one way or the other about my wife's co-worker.

44 posted on 10/17/2001 1:06:57 PM PDT by honway
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To: Imperial Warrior
The waters of Lake Nasser should be shared by all Egyptians!
45 posted on 10/17/2001 1:09:29 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: the Wayne
What does the calendar show for November and December?
46 posted on 10/17/2001 1:18:35 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: lonestar
What does the calendar show for November and December?

Please see the link in reply#5 for OCT-DEC

47 posted on 10/17/2001 1:36:22 PM PDT by honway
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To: Diogenesis
Thanks for the post. A picture is worth over 5,000 words.
48 posted on 10/17/2001 1:38:05 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
My guess is we will never find out who was short selling.

It seems to me all these transactions are recorded somewhere. Anything that has to be reported to the IRS should have a paper trail.

49 posted on 10/17/2001 1:53:15 PM PDT by FR_addict
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It seems to me all these transactions are recorded somewhere

You are absolutely 100% correct. Without the proper record keeping the entire system would collapse. They know exactly who made the short sell trades, but it has been decided that you and me do not need that information. I predict the Justice Department will not prosecute a single case related to the short selling.

50 posted on 10/17/2001 2:02:44 PM PDT by honway
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