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To: MadIvan
I did try to go over to DU, but then again, I used my handle (why the hell should I hide from the little bastards) and was instantly banned.

Ivan, thank you for posting about this matter.

As a former lifelong Dem, I always try to find examples of conduct that would make me feel proud to say I voted a straight Dem ticket almost my entire life.

Lately, I have been having a very tough time finding examples of Dem conduct I admire. And, with DU now eliminating your right of free speech -- without DU even giving you a chance to say ANYTHING -- is chilling, to say the least.

It seems to me one usually posts on a forum and THEN gets banned. But, in your case -- the banning came first. It's very disappointing for me to learn this about our fellow Americans over at DU. Very disheartening to hear you were just banned for: being.
4 posted on 10/19/2001 2:08:10 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
It seems to me one usually posts on a forum and THEN gets banned. But, in your case -- the banning came first. It's very disappointing for me to learn this about our fellow Americans over at DU. Very disheartening to hear you were just banned for: being.

Well the one nice thing I've discovered is that I am infamous enough to be banned on name alone. Fine by me. ;)

Regards, Ivan
6 posted on 10/19/2001 2:10:28 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: summer
And, with DU now eliminating your right of free speech -- without DU even giving you a chance to say ANYTHING -- is chilling, to say the least.

DU doesn't have free speech; it says on the terms and conditions they won't tolerate any conservatives there. Meanwhile, over at Free Britannia....we tolerated them - this is the first time I've had to ban anyone, but since their express purpose is not to do anything positive, I have little choice.

Regards, Ivan
8 posted on 10/19/2001 2:12:08 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: summer
is chilling = it's chilling
9 posted on 10/19/2001 2:12:21 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
I've never gone over to DU, and I don't intend to. I respect their right to have a forum, even if they don't all seem to respect our right to have one free from disruption by them.

We have a few liberals here who mind their manners and seem to understand that they are going to be shouted down, sometimes rudely. I really don't mind their presence at all if they present alternative ideas to simply contemplate, especially if they are thoughtful positions.

But the majority are dumb punk disruptors who say foolish and inflammatory things and I think FR management tolerates them too long. I would be a little quicker on the ban button, especially when they expose themselves and their tactics as shown in this post.

21 posted on 10/19/2001 2:19:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: summer
DU now eliminating your right of free speech

Your former Dem colors are showing. As much as I despise all that DU wallows in (they do not "stand for" anything in my opinion), they do not owe anyone a right to speech. The "right of free speech" only ties the government, not private enterprise. DU can censor or remove any speech they desire form their website and they are perfectly within their rights.

Why anyone would choose to post on such a censored site is another question entirely. I recommend forgetting they exist.

If a Rat Yells in an Empty Forest, Does He Make A Sound?

32 posted on 10/19/2001 2:28:21 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: summer
As a former lifelong Dem, I always try to find examples of conduct that would make me feel proud to say I voted a straight Dem ticket almost my entire life.

You'll know that you've cast off the last of Demo-thought when you find that the two outstanding presidents of the 20th century were 1. Calvin Coolege and 2. Ronald Reagan.

"Silent Cal" is my idea of the ideal president. One may question my opinion by remarking that "he didn't do anything."

Bingo!

39 posted on 10/19/2001 2:32:40 PM PDT by rightofrush
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