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Contradicting Some U.S. Officials, 3 Scientists Call Anthrax Powder High-Grade
New York Times ^ | October 25, 2001 | WILLIAM J. BROAD

Posted on 10/24/2001 10:09:24 PM PDT by l33t

Scientists in and out of government said yesterday that the anthrax strike on Capitol Hill involved an advanced, highly refined powder that is quite dangerous and not the primitive form of the germ that some federal officials have recently described.

Three top scientists — all with experience in germ weapons and knowledge of the federal investigation — said in interviews yesterday that the powder was high-grade and in theory capable of inflicting wide casualties.

And, two of the scientists said, the anthrax was altered from its natural state to reduce its electrostatic charge, a process that prevents small particles from sticking together and to nearby objects, thus making them more likely to become airborne.

The experts noted that turning anthrax into a weapon of mass destruction still required added steps, like making the powder in quantity and learning how to disseminate it effectively. One expert said that only the United States, the Soviet Union and Iraq were known to have developed the necessary technique. But the experts said some officials were playing down the powder's potency out of ignorance or an impulse to reassure a frightened public.

Federal officials and weapons experts have given varying descriptions of the powder in the 10 days since an aide to Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota, the majority leader, opened a letter containing the anthrax.

Some federal officials have said the germs were an unrefined preparation of microbes, while others have warned that they were potent and easily turned into a cloud that could infect many people. Anthrax spores in the powder contaminated at least 28 people in Senate offices.

None of these people have become sick, but federal investigators said the Daschle letter may have leaked anthrax in transit from New Jersey and infected postal workers there and in Washington. Two Washington postal workers have died of anthrax.

William C. Patrick III, a microbiologist who designed germ weapons for the United States before President Richard M. Nixon renounced them in 1969, said he had learned details of the federal inquiry from a senior investigator. The Senate powder, Mr. Patrick said, was quite potent and capable of sailing far through the air to hurt many people.

He said the makers of the anthrax spores sent to Mr. Daschle's office had produced a dry powder that was remarkably free of extraneous material.

"It's high-grade," said Mr. Patrick, who consults widely on making germ defenses. "It's free flowing. It's electrostatic free. And it's in high concentration."

Experts on germ weaponry agree that the removal of electrostatic charges is a major step toward making an effective munition. The Soviet Union and United States developed sophisticated ways of diminishing this attraction and helping the particles float more freely, increasing their ease of dissemination and likelihood of inhalation.

Mr. Patrick said that whoever sent the Daschle letter had clearly achieved this step. "It's fluffy," he said, quoting experts who examined the powder. "It appears to have an additive that keeps the spores from clumping." Removing the charge, he added, is a black art, few details of which are known publicly.

Assertions by some federal officials that the material was not the type that would be used in weapons are "nonsense," he said. "The only difference between this and weapons grade is the size of the production. You can produce a very good grade of anthrax powder in the lab. The issue is whether those efforts can be expanded in scale, so you can make large quantities."

Richard Spertzel, a microbiologist and former head of biological inspection teams in Iraq for the United Nations, said he, too, had talked to federal investigators about the Senate powder.

"There's no question this is weapons quality," Dr. Spertzel said. "It has all the characteristics — fine particles and readily dispersible." Particles must be small to penetrate deep into human lungs, where they can start a lethal infection.

Al Zelicoff, a physician and expert on biological weapons at the Sandia National Laboratory in Albuquerque, who is developing a computerized system to allow epidemiologists to track suspicious disease outbreaks, said his conversations with federal investigators had alarmed him.

"These people know what they're doing," Dr. Zelicoff said of the anthrax terrorists. "I'm truly worried. They have the keys to the kingdom."

He cautioned, however, that the federal investigation was continuing and had produced results that were preliminary, with no firm conclusions.

"But if they have indeed perfected the aerosolization process," Dr. Zelicoff said of the terrorists, "it's strongly suggested they can do large-scale dissemination when they wish."


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; daschle; patrick
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1 posted on 10/24/2001 10:09:24 PM PDT by l33t
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To: l33t
bttt. Note that William Patrick has over 50 years of experience with anthrax.
2 posted on 10/24/2001 10:22:41 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: l33t
The feds lying to protect us from ourselves? It could happen.

This is VERY significant news.

If the source is ever identified I suspect the retaliation will stun the world. If a large-scale attack occurs, we'll start shooting every country with a lab......except China and Russia. Then again..........

3 posted on 10/24/2001 10:28:26 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: l33t; *Anthrax_Scare_List
Now we are getting some true - no spin -- information!

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4 posted on 10/24/2001 10:30:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Free Vulcan
A years worth of diplomatic pouches from just about ANY country could bring in enuff weapons grade anthrax (say, 50 lbs) to take out a city.

Imagine 10 committed jihadists at the World Series with one pound each........real scary. Drop a couple of pounds off the Empire State building.....5-6 other cities at the same time......

You get the picture.

I'm glad it's raining in Seattle.

5 posted on 10/24/2001 10:36:37 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
Oh my God.
6 posted on 10/24/2001 10:38:52 PM PDT by pushforbush
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To: Mariner
Can you imagine what the reaction of people will be when they read this article tomorrow morning? Highly justified panic. The only sane way to remain in an urban area now is with a stockpile of Cipro for your family, and a gun and ammo to defend the stockpile.
7 posted on 10/24/2001 10:43:32 PM PDT by pushforbush
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To: l33t
Our government --- about which the Great Blathering Cheney recently said that the people are much more trusting.
8 posted on 10/24/2001 10:54:02 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: l33t; snopercod
Sandia Labs.

Los Alamos.

And many things covered up.

Red China < - > Bill Clinton.

Tolerance ranked highest while security ranked lowest.

Several keys to the kingdom were taken.

Not one Republican has dared to sacrifice their "career" to call a spade a spade.

< / revelation >

9 posted on 10/24/2001 10:59:10 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
funny how Chelsea is "outta the country" now huh. Oh and where is Bill and Four Ton ?
11 posted on 10/24/2001 11:06:32 PM PDT by cactusSharp
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Not one Republican has dared to sacrifice their "career" to call a spade a spade.

You said it.

12 posted on 10/24/2001 11:27:38 PM PDT by Aerial
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To: l33t
Patrick and that Russian are the only two who have any ideas what they are talking about.
13 posted on 10/24/2001 11:35:25 PM PDT by RLK
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To: l33t
William Broad. The science editor of the New York Times.

Game over.

14 posted on 10/24/2001 11:54:01 PM PDT by Fulbright
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"It's high-grade," said Mr. Patrick, who consults widely on making germ defenses. "It's free flowing. It's electrostatic free. And it's in high concentration." Let's see:
Free-flowing? Check
Electrostatic free? Check
High concentration? Check
So the only thing saving us from mass infection with free-flowing, electrostatic free, high concentration anthrax Our only hope is that the terrorists don't have 40 to 50 pounds of this stuff to release. Seems to me if they have the resources to make anthrax with these three key characteristics, they've got brresources to make it in a fairly large quantity.
There's no possible way they could do this right? It would require resources equivalent to hijacking four commercial airliners at the same time------impossible, right?
And of course the terrorists would never find any people willing to commit suicide by circulating in a crowd releasing the infection spores without conspicuous isolated breathing equipment?
I don't know about you, but I'm not going to any large crowd events, like football games or the World Series.
15 posted on 10/25/2001 12:18:50 AM PDT by pushforbush
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To: l33t
"It's high-grade," said Mr. Patrick, who consults widely on making germ defenses. "It's free flowing. It's electrostatic free. And it's in high concentration."

Like I said, the letters weren't an attack. They were an advertisment.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 12:23:30 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: l33t
"But if they have indeed perfected the aerosolization process," Dr. Zelicoff said of the terrorists, "it's strongly suggested they can do large-scale dissemination when they wish."

Uh, does anybody think now might be a good time to intern all Middle Eastern non-immigrant alien males between the ages of 20 and 50?

17 posted on 10/25/2001 12:28:07 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: l33t
The Administration does NOT want Iraq in the Equation right now.

All their actions and statements follow from this axiom.

18 posted on 10/25/2001 12:37:14 AM PDT by Nogbad
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They don't want Iraq in the equation, because Iraq has a knife at our throats. My guess is they've known this since about the time Dubya gave his press conference.
19 posted on 10/25/2001 12:39:53 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: l33t
"But if they have indeed perfected the aerosolization process," Dr. Zelicoff said of the terrorists, "it's strongly suggested they can do large-scale dissemination when they wish."

So why haven't they? Why send the anthrax out as powder, with a nice cover note and treatment recommendations? Has everyone figured this out by now?

20 posted on 10/25/2001 12:54:19 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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