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To: LibertarianLiz
If the Christians want a room I'm sure they would be given one, if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion. I didn't think it was. The constitutional law on this matter is fairly well established.
30 posted on 10/25/2001 1:14:28 PM PDT by motexva
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To: motexva
If the Christians want a room I'm sure they would be given one, if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion.

I don't understand why someone needs to demonstrate that they want to pray. Prayer is between God and the believer. Do you mean the believer should get a letter from her pastor? Or Look up a supporting phrase in the Bible, such as Jesus' directive to pray at all times? What kind of demonstration does one need, to get to pray?

What about devout Christians who do not belong to an established denomination, but feel (personally) God wants them to pray at various times throughout the day? Why aren't they allowed to follow their consciences, too, and retire to a quiet room to pray?

Should Christians who want a quiet room to pray in, really need to prove that a pastor, Bible, minister, bishop demands they pray?

If this is true...
This makes it sound like ONLY believers who have dictatorial leaders who tell them what to do with particular moments in their lives get to practice their religion. In other words, it looks like the religions that control their people's lives the most, also get to control the lives and spaces of the non-believers the most.What if the Imam decides to make up additional rules? Will the public schools have to obey his rules?

Seems unfair somehow, to discriminate against Christians who wish to pray. It makes it look a case of the pushier person going to the head of a line, instead getting in his place behind the others who have been waiting.

50 posted on 10/25/2001 1:36:16 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: motexva
I'm sure they (Christians) would be given one (a place of prayer), if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion. I didn't think it was. The constitutional law on this matter is fairly well established.

That's a load of BS!.....and even if their wasn't a set time for Christian Prayers, then what is going to be done when a group of Christian students gather to thank the Lord for their lunch in the public school caffeteria?

You would have a cow

Ashland, Missouri

55 posted on 10/25/2001 1:39:48 PM PDT by rface
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To: motexva
Your statement that if Christians want a room for prayer it will be given them. Garbage! They've asked, pleaded, whimpered, whined, sued, and are still denied this courtesy.

Then you add that if praying at a certain time of the day is required that then they would be given this. I see. Congress shall make no law...means that someone at the school level can make an accomidation for foreign students who's laws supercede the First Amendment...namely the free excercise of religion by a law written by and for Christians living and governing themselves here, when Islam was still overseas, content with its Medieval superstition, cruelty, and converting nonbelievers by the sword.

And finally, you said Constitutional law is "fairly well established" regarding separation of church and state. I believe that the time is rapidly approaching when this will again be on the SCUS docket.

The famous quotation of Jefferson agreeing that there is a wall of separation between church and state was written to a clergyman in one of the original Thirteen Colonies who feared that the state was indeed setting up a wall to forbid his own congregation freedom to practice its religion.

True those are Jefferson's words, but what the anti-Christians quote isn't what Jefferson really meant. He meant that the figurative wall was to wall the state off from abridging the freedom TO worship; not the freedom FROM worship, and especially to deny the devout their religious freedom to worship as they saw fit.

Freezing out Christian worship, and giving the Muslim's the right to do so will be subject to bitter, ongoing dispute. Some of this dispute has already resulted in several bombings of innocent civilians in both public and private buildings, probably the infection of innocent civilians with biological agents, and quite possibly other means of death and intimidation that we have yet to see.

This will be taken to the streets, just as it has been taken to our public buildings, airlines, and now, schools.

Pick your side carefully. You might die for your beliefs. Islam is the wrong belief to die for. Our First Amendment rights permit me to say this. Heed these rights, even if Islam doesn't.

120 posted on 10/25/2001 8:20:41 PM PDT by doxteve
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To: motexva
"...if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion. I didn't think it was."

OK smarty pants, read Thessalonians 5:17. We are instructed to "Pray unceasingly".

150 posted on 10/26/2001 8:18:59 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: motexva; LibertarianLiz
If the Christians want a room I'm sure they would be given one, if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion. I didn't think it was. The constitutional law on this matter is fairly well established.

That would be nice, but it hasn't happened. I say "hasn't" because praying before meals is part of both the Christian and Jewish religions. However, no room has ever been set aside for saying a prayer before lunch (which is a meal, taken at school five days a week). Not that I've ever seen or heard of anyway, and I follow things like this, errrr, "religiously."

202 posted on 10/28/2001 1:43:50 PM PST by Beep
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