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12 U.S. DELTA MEMBERS WOUNDED ON RAID OF OMAR
Drudge ^ | 11/3/01

Posted on 11/03/2001 6:04:22 AM PST by Diogenesis

MAG: 12 U.S. DELTA MEMBERS WOUNDED ON RAID OF OMAR'S COMPLEX, THREE SERIOUSLY; PENTAGON RETHINKS 'SPECIAL FORCES OPERATIONS'

Seymour Hersh has filed yet another controversial report for coming editons of the NEW YORKER, publishing sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

In ESCAPE AND EVASION, Hersh claims: In the wake of a near-disaster during the assault on Mullah Omar's complex during the early morning of October 20th, the Pentagon has been rethinking future Special Forces operations inside Afghanistan.

Delta Force, which prides itself on stealth, had been counterattacked by the Taliban, and some of the Americans had had to fight their way to safety. Hersh has filed his report for the November 12, 2001 issue of the NEW YORKER, on sale Monday.

Twelve Delta members were wounded, three of them seriously.

The intensity and ferocity of the Taliban response "scared the crap out of everyone," a senior military officer tells Hersh.

The Delta team stormed Mullah Omar's complex, but found little of value, Hersh reports, and then, "as they came out of the house, the shit hit the fan," one senior officer says. "It was like an ambush. The Taliban were fighting with light arms and either [rocket-propelled grenades] or mortars." The team immediately began taking casualties and evacuated.

"The Delta team was forced to abandon one of its objectives: the insertion of an undercover team into the area and the stay-behind soldiers fled to a previously determined rendezvous point, using a contingency plan known as an E. & E., for escape and evasion," Hersh writes.


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To: Benrand
I'm not sure I buy the "scared the crap" line...

I'm not buying any of it. I think the whole thing is "crap".

51 posted on 11/03/2001 6:43:51 AM PST by The Real Deal
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To: Diogenesis
Hersh's source(s) are officers promoted by Clinton.

That's the only reason that an officer would confide anything in a snake like Hersh.

The result here is a portion of truth with a strong politically-motivated defeatist spin.

This is very dangerous.

Bush has alot of weeding-out to do in the military.

It had better get done quickly.

52 posted on 11/03/2001 6:44:06 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Romulus
In examining the Pentagon's happy talk, Hersh is doing his job.

You could be right, or it could be that Hersh is just pumping his old PR game up. I was only pointing out that the guy does have a checkered past. If they really had 12 wounded, why would the Pentagon try to hide that? They could still claim a successful mission if it was or not, hand out some ribbons and make some hereos. And I don't think any Spec.Ops. officer would ever publically say they had the 'crap' scared out of them. That seems over the top to me, which is what Hersh has taken fire for in the past. He gets a few 'nuggets' and then weaves the rest around it.

53 posted on 11/03/2001 6:45:08 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Oh lawd.....I'm agreeing with a post of mit's? YIKES. But you are right about Hersch......isn't he the one who printed all those REALLY wild accusastions about Kennedy.....even worse than the others?
54 posted on 11/03/2001 6:45:12 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Aerial
Actually, the Taliban did no such thing. The mujahadin did, of which some of them were Taliban... but even the mujahadin were getting their butts soundly whipped until the US entered the arena and gave them stingers and considerable other assistance... including help constructing those cave complexes they hide in.

So they were getting whipped by a demoralized conscript army... that was trying to hold ground too. Their capital was in Russian hands. The only thing the Taliban ever whipped was some of the groups composing what is now the Northern Alliance, long after the Russians had left. The Taliban didn't come to power until 1996, and even then weren't able to kill off the Northern Alliance. The Taliban are NOT impressive, even if all enemies should be treated as if they are bigger than they are.

And now old Hersh is trying to claim the Taliban can part the Red Sea, when in fact the Taliban have nothing to their credit but a pair of wheels... and according to them, the "B-52 FIGHTER" (hahaha!) they say they 'shot down' yesterday or the day before with their low-altitude missiles. He claims a rout when in fact it looked like a nice, measured action, no one running, everyone moving steadily and carefully; when for all practical purposes it was in and out as it should be. Best of all, is his claim an officer would even talk to him, and whine too. (Won't happen.)

If we were hurting right now certain folks would be shifted from to fill in. (Not happening... that is a fact. Some of the likely fill-ins are still e-mailing me Taliban jokes. I don't think they'd be doing that from the field.)

55 posted on 11/03/2001 6:46:07 AM PST by piasa
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To: jwalsh07
We don't have a need to know and neither does Seymour.

Then be a good fellow and notify the SecDef, will you? Loose lips, you know!

56 posted on 11/03/2001 6:47:22 AM PST by Romulus
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To: YaYa123
As you know, US fighter pilots took off from carriers during the battle of Midway knowing they did not have enough fuel to return. Seymour Hersh and his ilk can go to hell. They don't have a clue what those who serve our country are all about.
57 posted on 11/03/2001 6:47:41 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: jwalsh07
FYI, military people are reading these threads. I hope they don't get this one or the Drudge report for today. Something stinks about this. Something really smells bad.
58 posted on 11/03/2001 6:47:42 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Diogenesis
"I don't know where the adult supervision for these operations is.

The Clinton people fired them and the rest of the well trained non-coms!

59 posted on 11/03/2001 6:48:07 AM PST by yoe
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To: Aerial
The Russians left in 89, the taliban was formed in 92. Where exactly did the talies give the ruskies hell?
60 posted on 11/03/2001 6:48:25 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Ditto
And I don't think any Spec.Ops. officer would ever publically say they had the 'crap' scared out of them.

Read Blackhawk Down. Initial shock and fear isn't unusual, and some of them admited to it in the interviews for this book. But then these guys keep on fighting, and for the enemy, it isn't a pretty sight....

61 posted on 11/03/2001 6:49:20 AM PST by Enlightiator
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To: Ax
People here may not like WHAT Hersh is reporting about the war in Afghanistan. Does that also apply to his devastating expose of the Kennedy administration? The story may not be pleasant or palatable to some people. But to dismiss it as outright claptrap is wrong and ridiculous. Both sides are spinning their propoganda. They lie. We lie. So when reports come out next week that substantiate Hersh's reporting, will the naysayers and debunkers change their tune?

We're going to lose people. That's a fact. It doesn't make us weaker to accept the fact; we're only weaker when we fall under the sway of propoganda -- theirs or ours -- and refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't kowtow to those lines.

Keep reporting, Hersh. We may not like what's coming out. But better to be informed than to clap our ears shut and huddle in ignorance.

62 posted on 11/03/2001 6:49:32 AM PST by rond
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To: rond
Well said.
64 posted on 11/03/2001 6:51:26 AM PST by Kenyon
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To: jbstrick
I am not having a hard time not believing any of this baloney from Mr. Hersh.
65 posted on 11/03/2001 6:51:40 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Diogenesis
Seymour M. Hersh 'links'

Tin-foil hats must be securely in place, unbelievably believable.

66 posted on 11/03/2001 6:53:07 AM PST by d14truth
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To: longleaf
Hersh himself is Jewish? So's Babs. What's your point?

Religious affiliation and personal politics don't necessarily go hand in hand. The NY vote-fraud case that helped get Hillary elected to the Senate proves that.

67 posted on 11/03/2001 6:53:20 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Diogenesis

68 posted on 11/03/2001 6:55:39 AM PST by Rustynailww
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To: Enlightiator
Fear is a normal part of combat, the thing is that no combat soldier will tell you if he was or was'nt. Its a private thing. I'd sure like to meet this confidential source.

Probably some civillian puke in the pentagon.

69 posted on 11/03/2001 6:55:52 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Bad~Rodeo
I like the picture but it should read "We Will Never Forget". We needn't be reminded as to what we will remember.
70 posted on 11/03/2001 6:56:44 AM PST by Excuse_Me
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To: Diogenesis
One does not know whom or what to believe. Those who head our government are bunglers and congenital liars.Those media creatures who report love treason and/or sedition and are known to create 'stories.' Time will tell. (I note there are no longer pictures of troops boarding airplanes in green light, splashy photos of guys parachuting, stories on how the enemy are going to be killed and their things broken. This aspect has the smell of disaster.) Once agin time will tell.
71 posted on 11/03/2001 6:56:44 AM PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: wirestripper
Probably some civillian puke in the pentagon.

I hadn't considered that, you may be right - for certain the "source" is someone who was not even there, so I coun't some of the details in the story as highly suspect.

72 posted on 11/03/2001 7:00:47 AM PST by Enlightiator
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To: Bahbah
Oops. Take out the "not".
74 posted on 11/03/2001 7:02:23 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Diogenesis
Well, that's one "senior officer" who should be court-martialed.
76 posted on 11/03/2001 7:04:26 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Enlightiator
Most conspiracy writers use just enough truth to make the story legitimate. Then,,,,,,,, they load on the BS. It's what they do.
77 posted on 11/03/2001 7:05:32 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Benrand
#7 I'm not sure I buy anything Hersh writes. In fact, I don't buy any sensationalism, and for sure don't need to know everything that goes on. If casualties happen, we will be told by credible sources.
78 posted on 11/03/2001 7:07:42 AM PST by katze
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To: piasa
Isn't Seymour Hersh Jewish?

I've never been able to understand why so many Jews back the left. It's consistently been Republicans and the right that backs and protects the nation of Israel, while it's always the RATS and left-wingers who sell them out and stab them in the back. Go figure!

79 posted on 11/03/2001 7:08:40 AM PST by Bill Rice
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To: juval
You don't get it. It's not casualties that are the problem. That part is the only truth I see in the Hersh piece. The rest of the conjecture is the damaging garbage.
80 posted on 11/03/2001 7:08:54 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Bahbah
Hersh-Leftist elitist, his first 'big' story---

"1969--Pacifica(radio) is the only news organization willing to break Seymour Hersh's story of the My Lai massacre. Hersh later wins the Pulitzer Prize for exposing the atrocities committed by U.S. troops in Vietnam."

I thought ABC's David Westin said something to the effect that an 'objective' journalist would not exploit the news for a personal 'agenda', only report it. Mr. Hersh is an 'exploiter', IMHO.

81 posted on 11/03/2001 7:09:22 AM PST by d14truth
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Number one, nobody can confirm or deny this. Number two, Delta Force conducts very dangerous operations and only a fool would expect zero casualties. This is what is called war. In war, you take casualties.

That is true. However, what troubles me about this report is the wording Ambush which indicates the enemy had advance intelligence that the raid was going to take place. This being the case, we have a really serious problem with security, traitors or both. Encountering heavy resistence is one thing, but an ambush is something else, it means our troops were set up. How many Afghani's do we have in our intelligence group that planed this attack, that are spies?

82 posted on 11/03/2001 7:10:45 AM PST by rstevens
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To: Diogenesis
The intensity and ferocity of the Taliban response "scared the crap out of everyone," a senior military officer tells Hersh.

did they respond as soon as they saw the raid on CNN?

83 posted on 11/03/2001 7:11:55 AM PST by copycat
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To: d14truth
I knew I remembered that name from somewhere. What a piece of work! Now I know for certain what this guys agenda is. He and Hanoi Jane would get along great!
85 posted on 11/03/2001 7:14:45 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Diogenesis; NoControllingLegalAuthority; Conservative Tiger; Bad~Rodeo; Ozymandias Ghost; Kenyon...
It is difficult to believe Hirsch in the light of the information freely and timely released by Pentagon previously.

For example, this 18 MEG mpg video of the inclusion.

From the DoD News Briefing - the actual incursion at night (MUST SEE for FREEPERS with adequate bandwidth)

IMO, the DOD has been more open, frank, and detailed -- in contrast to Hersch in this matter.

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G d bless the United States and its troops prosecuting Enduring Freedom.

86 posted on 11/03/2001 7:15:35 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
Much better story here: US Likely To Storm Osama Hideouts
87 posted on 11/03/2001 7:18:30 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Diogenesis
They're special forces. They're supposed to put themselves in the face of danger. It's part of the job. There are risk and these guys know it.
88 posted on 11/03/2001 7:19:39 AM PST by boycott
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To: juval
Yes, I'm saying he embellished ,made them up, or used a flaky source to make his point. That is what he does. The casualties have been reported by the military. The pentagon has not released the details because they just don't do that. That fact leaves these wind bags the leeway to do what ever.
89 posted on 11/03/2001 7:22:22 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Romulus
First; I would like to say thanks to all the fools might give any credibility to SH's BS. And, second, to those of US who know SH is just plain - full of crap, but go ahead and join the post with our contentious replies - "geez, what's wrong with us - why can't we just let SH's crap settle to some lesser position of not even being recognized as a legitimate post!?!"

Oh yeah (almost forgot) - 'duck Frudge' and his sensationalizing CRAP!

92 posted on 11/03/2001 7:30:13 AM PST by harpu
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To: Rustynailww
"The 1968 bugging issue revolved around a Republican initiative to undermine Johnson's Paris peace talks that could have ended the Vietnam War and brought home 500,000 American soldiers then fighting in Indochina. The Nixon-Agnew campaign, however, feared that this "October Surprise" would catapult Vice President Humphrey to victory and again deny Nixon the White House.

"According to Seymour Hersh's 1983 book, The Price of Power, Kissinger learned of Johnson's peace plans and warned the Nixon-Agnew campaign. "It is certain," Hersh wrote, "that the Nixon campaign, alerted by Kissinger to the impending success of the peace talks, was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on the peace negotiations."

The chief emissary was Anna Chennault, an anti-communist Chinese leader who was working with the Nixon-Agnew campaign. Hersh quoted one former Johnson Cabinet official as stating that the U.S. intelligence "agencies had caught on that Chennault was the go-between between Nixon and his people and President [Nguyen van] Thieu in Saigon. ... The idea was to bring things to a stop in Paris and prevent any show of progress.""

93 posted on 11/03/2001 7:30:29 AM PST by d14truth
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To: Benrand
I dont buy a word of this . Anyone who ever served in some capacity of a special forces unit knows the way the article was written does not reflect the training . I can not find any credibility in ths article .
94 posted on 11/03/2001 7:31:39 AM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: d14truth
In my HO your HO is correct. Sorry it comes out HO.
95 posted on 11/03/2001 7:36:45 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: petbop
Hersch was also the guy who dumped the load on the 24ID for operations in the Gulf War claiming they were out to pick a fight with the defenseless Iraqi Guards Divisions fleeing Kuwait and that they fired upon these helpless military units with unjustified savagery and producing unnecessary bloodshed...yada, yada, yada. Hersch is pantload and no friend of the military.
97 posted on 11/03/2001 7:42:34 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Benrand
The whole thing sounds slanted toward Taliban. Let's see: Taliban was smarter than we were because, though we pride ourselves on stealth, we weren't as stealthy as they were... Taliban are better fighters than we are, as their intensity and ferocity scared the crap out of us...we didn't find a single thing of any value in Mullet's house, which shows how "poor" our intelligence is and/or how futile our goals are...and the Pentagon is rethinking even letting out Special Forces go back in there because it was such a failure. blablabla
98 posted on 11/03/2001 7:42:38 AM PST by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: cake_crumb
ChinaThreat had said something about Hersh's possible anti-Semitism. I just wanted to let him or her know that Hersh would have to be anti-himself to be an anti-Semite.
100 posted on 11/03/2001 7:48:47 AM PST by longleaf
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