Anthrax Threats Mass Mailed to Abortion Clinics

Los Angeles Times ^

[Jerez]

I think that Christian, conservative and right-wing groups should denounce these hoax mailings to PP etc. -- just as we have been saying that 'good' Muslims should publicly denounce the radicals. Hoax mailings do cause harm too. On the other hand, YaYa123 makes a good point, these packages could just as easily have been sent by enemies of pro-life groups to provoke investigations and other hassles. But AT LEAST it should be pointed out that NO package supposedly sent by a pro-life advocate has actually contained anthrax. They are doing everything they can to pin the anthrax mailings on the right wing. It's sickening.

[toenail]

Pro-life groups always denounce violence. But the pro-aborts and media spin it away. Gloria Feldt herself could be caught on-camera, burning her own headquarters, and CNN would still blame pro-lifer's.

[prisoner6]

LOL! Double negatives always confuse me.

prisoner6

[ravinson]

I'll stick with science

Current science can't tell you when human cells constitute a "person", but that won't deter you, since you obviously rely on pure fantasy to form your beliefs.

[Terrorista Nada]

I guess some people really do get upset about the murder of 35 million babies in America.

[CyberCowboy777]

When is a Fetus a "Human Life"? When it has completed development? That is what 18 - 22 Years?

When it has become Human and Alive it is a Human Life. Are you going to say that having it's own Heart, Lungs, Feet, Hands, Brain, Blood and DNA does not make it Human Life?

[FreeReign]

Current science can't tell you when human cells constitute a "person", but that won't deter you, since you obviously rely on pure fantasy to form your beliefs.

So then are you a person?

[ravinson]

I believe that abortion is murder, I do not "support" any such movement.

By engaging in such demagoguery, you are giving moral comfort to the people associated with the "Army of God". Moreover, neither your rhetoric nor the criminal acts it encourages will decrease the number of abortions. A much better strategy if you really want to minimize abortions would be to make your arguments without resorting to hyperbole, which only weakens your position.

Murder is defined as the taking of Human Life by another human without just cause...

So by your definition, if your mere negligence while driving an automobile results in an accident which kills someone, you are a murderer.

A Fetus is Human by all scientific standards and is alive which constitutes Life. It has separate and distictive DNA, Blood and Brain Waves.

Being "human" and being a "person" are not the same thing. If you don't believe me, ask a sperm cell. (By the way, you better check your science books again if you believe that newly joined sperm and egg cells have "brain waves".)

Whether it is dependant on another's care for survival is not relevant.

If you really believe that, then you must believe that every sperm and egg cell has a right to life regardless of the fact that they are dependent on people to bring them together and perpetuate the existence of their DNA.

(a (Human or not) + b (Alive or Not) = c (Human Life or Not)). Only idiots complicate the simple.

So you confirm that you believe that all sperm and egg cells have a right to life.

BTW - Why do you think there has never been a Popular Vote on the issue?

Because the US is a republic, not a pure democracy. But, do you really want to put the issue of what constitutes a "person" to a vote?

[FreeReign]

I think that Christian, conservative and right-wing groups should denounce these hoax mailings to PP etc. -- just as we have been saying that 'good' Muslims should publicly denounce the radicals. Hoax mailings do cause harm too. On the other hand, YaYa123 makes a good point, these packages could just as easily have been sent by enemies of pro-life groups to provoke investigations and other hassles.

You are correct on both counts.

[apackof2]

All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers.

I believe that abortion is murder
and I don't give "aid and comfort" to abortion clinic attackers
therefore you are a blockhead, charlie brown

[ravinson]

So then are you a person?

Perhaps I should have said "Current science can't tell you when human cells constitute a `person' in all cases", but my (or your) personage is still a philosophical question, albeit one on which the vast majority of folks would presumably agree. Legally speaking, however, if someone truly did not believe you were human when they shot you (eg. you were wearing a bigfoot costume), that could not be a murder, since there would be no intent to take the life of another person (i.e. no "malice").

[ravinson]

When is a Fetus a "Human Life"?

A fetus is human life, just as sperm and egg cells are human life, but that doesn't make them "persons". My philosophical belief is that there is more to people then flesh and blood, and there is some scientific evidence to support my belief and which suggests that a "soul" is implanted in fetuses shortly before birth. You seem to think that people have no soul, but you certainly cannot prove that to be the case scientifically.

[ravinson]

I believe that abortion is murder and I don't give "aid and comfort" to abortion clinic attackers

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but you're obviously wrong.

[ravinson]

I believe that abortion is murder and I don't give "aid and comfort" to abortion clinic attackers

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but you're obviously wrong.

[FreeReign]

Perhaps I should have said "Current science can't tell you when human cells constitute a `person' in all cases", but my (or your) personage is still a philosophical question, albeit one on which the vast majority of folks would presumably agree. Legally speaking, however, if someone truly did not believe you were human when they shot you (eg. you were wearing a bigfoot costume), that could not be a murder, since there would be no intent to take the life of another person (i.e. no "malice").

Current science can tell you when brain function and brain waves begin -- when thought processes begin and the human entity is formed. Do you say that an abortion at that time does not violate the unalienable rights of that human being?

[Republic]

Murder is the denial of life.. If for there is some proof out there that the growing and developing baby in a mommy's womb is not a life in process-a growth process that will go on for upwards of 20 years until complete maturity, physically, anyway, is attained- please deliver the proof or stop your waxing and weaving-you sound a lot like billy klinton-'depending on what the meaning of is, is.

This anthrax mailing to abortion clinics has a certain SMELL to it-sounds a bit too contrived to be believed. Wonder who is REALLY sending the boxes of so called anthrax?

[ravinson]

Current science can tell you when brain function and brain waves begin -- when thought processes begin and the human entity is formed.

Apes have brain waves and share the vast majority of our (human) chromosones, but that doesn't make them persons, does it?

[ravinson]

Do you say that an abortion at that time does not violate the unalienable rights of that human being?

Actually, there are no provable "unalienable rights", only liberties and ethical dilemmas as to what types of liberties are deserving of respect. Osama bin Laden never had a "right to life" and neither do you, but there is a reason to respect the liberties of others who agree to do likewise.

[ravinson]

Murder is the denial of life.

So when I mow the lawn, I'm committing "murder" in your book?

[Republic]

I you consider a blade of grass on the same level as human life-yes. I don't. I think your question is goofy. As you think out your rational, pretend you are really standing before God explaining it-that might help deepen your horizon.