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And the passengers are probably NOT dead too, right?. . .

1 posted on 11/12/2001 11:30:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

But is there any anthrax ?

2 posted on 11/12/2001 11:34:17 AM PST by ChadGore

NTSB Memo:

"After a careful review of all the evidence, we have concluded that a squirrel must have stashed acorns in the easily-accessible wing-fuel cell. The vibration of takeoff caused the acorns to grind against one another, starting a fire, just like Indians rubbing sticks together. This caused an explosion, which caused the crash..."

3 posted on 11/12/2001 11:40:54 AM PST by Gargantua

This is at least the 4th crash of an aircraft lifting out of JFK (EgyptAir, Swissair, TWA). Is there some evil doer with a new death ray or some industrial site that creates some sort of wave that results in these planes losing power or electrical fields or etc.?

6 posted on 11/12/2001 11:41:36 AM PST by Tacis

The key is to see what they do with the wreckage.

7 posted on 11/12/2001 11:41:55 AM PST by Jack Wilson

Let's see, if it wasn't an accident, but in fact our friends in Jalabad or Baghdad, it would probably spell economic ruin for the airline industry.

Must be an accident.

8 posted on 11/12/2001 11:44:16 AM PST by Fulbright

THEY ARE LYING!!!!!!!!

9 posted on 11/12/2001 11:46:01 AM PST by rickmoe

On Fox 5 NY a man named Kenneth Brown said this to Rosanna ? and John ?

John: Ken, you there?

Ken, yes yes I am.

John: Can you tell us what you saw Ken?

Ken: Alright, I was out on the boat about a hundred twentieth a hundred nineteenth st when un we stopped the boat cause we have an engine..yah know the engine was making weird sounds, so we stopped the boat and we were back by the engine and I heard a popping sound...not like a a a I cant even say it was an explosion, it was more like a pop and then like a whishing sound and then part of the wing came off.

John:Where was the plane at that moment?

Ken: Right over the bay. Right over the bay

John So is it almost right above you?

Ken: Yes, kinda to the north of us, cause we where more to the east channel drive at that time, on that side of Jamaica Bay and um the pieces that came off the wing...flew into the um tail and tore the tail off and as soon as that happened the plane went belly up towards us and towards the east and it just dove straight down, like the uhh the belly of the plane actually turned toward the south and it went straight down into the ground.

John: So you saw some big pieces of this plane come off...

Ken:We was the first ones on the scene and then the police boat came and we helped them pick up parts of the boat..uh..parts a the plane. We actually took up the blue A off of the tail we put that in the boat. Ummm the picture of the....another piece of the whole top of the tail with the flag on it was laying in shallow water. We took up allot of pieces of the boat...the plane we put it on the boat and took them in to the police boat an helped load em onto the police boat but a a the engine

Rosannabreaks in: Well it sounds like you have some crucial information Ken...

His voice rising Ken says: See the engine...everybody keeps saying the engine fell off...if it fell off it fell off on the way down....

John:U Huh

Ken: That plane as soon as its tail came off it just bellied up and went straight down, so yah know people saying yah know the engine came off, but that came off after the fact. Now as far as explosion, something was happening over the bay, something made the wing shatter and took of the tail. and uh the way I seen it , it still looked like it had its engines on as it was going down.

John: Have you spoken to anyone there uh Ken have you talked to any members of the..

Ken Yeh a yeh police I gave the police a guy in a police boat my name and all that and when I was helping em with ya know the parts of the plane

Woman Ken you sound very shacking up , I'm sure this has..

Ken: I'm still shacking, its a its just a terrible sight. Ya know its something ya see on a movie Ya know how the plane..ya just just knew it..that it wouldn't, as it was going down I was saying hit the ocean hit the ocean thinking ya know maybe it cleared, its only 4 blocks wide but the plane just turned over and came straight down. It was..its a sight to see..it was ya know stunned me

Woman Were you able to keep your composure and think clearly at that point?

Ken: Yes, actually actually the things was starting to fly down toward the boat so we backed up a little bit toward the the trestles the A train trestle and then we came back to see if they was any...ah cause at one time I thought I could see a seat but I wasn't even sure, Nothing heavy came down, everything floated down

Woman: Do you think you got everything that was in the water?

Ken Mostly everything that was floating yah. Cause a the police boat came like the within 5 minutes..3 minutes maybe but that plane was gone in 6 seconds, when I heard the popping sound and seen the flames seen the uh wing hit the back tail an that came off it couldn't a been more than 3 seconds for it was down

John: So your saying the wing came off and hit the tail?

Ken: Parts yes...the whole section of the tail was what we recovered. The A the little flag on the top of the tail section that whole section, like the 30 foot top of that was stuck in the sand...in the water about 5 feet of water but there was other pieces floating around..as a matter of fact I took the blue A and we pulled that part on the boat and brought it over to the police boat. They was asking for our help then allot of boats came by allot of police boats

John:Nick your sitting hearing what Ken is saying that if any any questions for him?

Nick Well um it sounds like Ken is your describing is a again that something exploded uh to cause these pieces of the wing to come out. Is that what you sug..

Ken: Exactly something happened to that wing that sent pieces of it back to the tail.

John was it the left wing or the right wing Ken do ya know?

Ken ahh see now like my friend..well.. a it bellied up to me and a when it bellied up to the east it a looked like the right wing cause the left wing still looked intact to me. It looked like the right wing had come off..or part of it

John: well that would fit with what the

(over talk..engine..saying..?)Nick: Unnn but again Ken Kinda saying the engine fell off after the fact but still potentially the engine exploding could could cause pieces of the engine to fly I mean what may have happened was a a series of events where pieces if the engine actually flew back and struck the tail or even that pieces of the engine and the wing at the same time so a but a Kens observations of the tail is a very interesting clue

John Do you live around there Ken?

Ken Yes, I live in Hamilton beach right off Jamaica Bay and a thats the whole thing..That plane would have went over Rockaway cause it was still like level until the tail came off and then it just bellied up and spun around and came straight down uh otherwise it would..that tail..as soon as it shattered thats when the plane lost everything

Nick: Now Ken did you see actual flames coming out of an engine that was..?

Ken: There was flames on the belly of the plane..I don't know weather it was the engine or ya know, but the plane bellied up towards us as it was going down and flames in the a..in that vicinity of the engines or whatever like underneath the plane

Well Ken we a thank you for your time

Ken: No Problem

11 posted on 11/12/2001 11:48:26 AM PST by Native American Female Vet

This time, I am not buying any of the government or media crap... Do they think we are idiots?

I, for one, just can't take any more of this "life must go on, go to the mall, buy stuff, no problems here that "we can't handle" spinshit.

It started with the Clinton Administration, but now, the guy who I thought would bring truth, justice, and the American Way back to our government seems to be more afraid of the market tanking, people being afriad to fly, and admitting what a mess has been made, is now following the same track and doing the same yap-yap as der Bubba.

I am really in a bad mood today. I have been listening to Fox all day, and am on the verge of not trusting our government, and Fox news for going with the "flow".

How can they expect us to be so stupid as to buy this whistling in the dark, and what are they going to do when no-one with a half-a-brain believes them any more!

12 posted on 11/12/2001 11:48:36 AM PST by jacquej

Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the NTSB (news - web sites), said, ``All information we have currently is that this is an accident.''

That sentence could also be technically truthful reading like this:"All information we have currently is that this is the result of a terrorist bomb."

Seems to be an awful lot of "catastrophic mechanical failure(s)" going on around here...

15 posted on 11/12/2001 12:03:03 PM PST by Pharmboy

I wonder how many times we will hear this word reported "as FACT" in the next 24 hour news-cycle (and I for one am not buying it sight unseen):

ACCIDENT ACCIDENT ACCIDENT. ACCIDENT ACCIDENT ACCIDENT ACCIDENT