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Terrorists push plots from jail: Militant sheik got messages to his followers
Chicago Tribune ^ | November 19, 2001 | Cam Simpson

Posted on 11/19/2001 3:04:07 AM PST by sarcasm

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A jailed Egyptian immigrant plots murder, bombings and a prison break with members of his jihad terrorist group during regular visiting hours.

A Palestinian arrested after entering the United States with bomb-making manuals uses his jailhouse phone privileges to call a friend who patches him through to a partner in New Jersey plotting to blow up the World Trade Center.

And the imprisoned spiritual leader of these terrorists, and others abroad, allegedly gets his messages out to followers despite intense government efforts to smother communications that could yield more terror.


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1 posted on 11/19/2001 3:04:07 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Many good reasons for military tribunals and swift executions.
2 posted on 11/19/2001 3:26:02 AM PST by Zorobabel
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To: sarcasm
Very vital information. Thanks.
3 posted on 11/19/2001 3:30:42 AM PST by NTegraT
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To: NTegraT
Heck criminals have been exploiting this very thing for years to order hits or to conduct business as usual while in jail or prison. Our son's killer called people on the outside while he was in jail awaiting trial to pass the message that if anyone testified against him, he'd kill them too. Didn't do him any good. But he did do it.
4 posted on 11/19/2001 4:10:41 AM PST by GailA
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To: Zorobabel; sarcasm; OKCSubmariner; *TerrOrWar; Lion's Cub
According to court testimony, Rahman, who also is a key figure for Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, issued a fatwa, or holy decree, from prison approving strikes against Americans. The decree reportedly was given to an Al Qaeda member training at a camp in Afghanistan in late 1998.

Another connection between the '93 WTC bombing and bin Laden. And more reason for military tribunals and quick executions.

5 posted on 11/19/2001 4:41:20 AM PST by aristeides
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To: sarcasm
If we are not going to execute this scum, at least put him in solitary confinement with zero contact with the outside world.
6 posted on 11/19/2001 5:01:02 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: sarcasm
sarcasm bump with sarcasm.
7 posted on 11/19/2001 5:05:02 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: sarcasm; Nancie Drew; BlueDogDemo; Fred Mertz; golitely; LSJohn; Judge Parker; AtticusX...
Rahman issued a Fatwah in early 1995 in retaliation for those imprisoned over the first WTC bombing. The fatwah was taken seriously because the head of the US MArshals, Edwardo Gonzales, sent an alert to all US MArshals on March 25, 1995 at all Federal Buildings in the US, especially in the Heartland, to be on alert for a Middle Eastern attack on a Federal buiding (including OKC's Murrah Building which was bombed April 19, 1995).

A copy of Gonzales alert was published in the Newark Star Ledger by journalist John Rudolph a few days later. The alert was used to forwarn the "Federal Family" (Judges,FBI,BATF,CIA,etc). US prosecutor Beth Wilkinson admitted in a McVeigh trial hearing in 1996 that the alert was in fact sent and received by Federal authorities in OKC. I found the article with the alert and gave it to ABC news in early May 1995 and ABC showed the alert on their nightly newscast to the nation. I did several radio interviews about the alert to tell of its existence in May 1995 incluidng on Chuck Harder's radio program.

OKC Federal Judge Wayne Ally was warned by the US Marshals about the alert and he stayed home to work from April 4, 1995 until the Murrah bombing on April 19, 1995. Ally was the judge initially assigned to the McVeigh case and his office was in the Federal building directly across the street from the Murrah building. Ally was taken off the case when it was revealed that Ally gave an interview to his hometown newspaper the Oregonian that he had been tipped and used the tip to keep his grandchildren out of the Murrah BUilding day care center where 19 children were later killed.

An earlier alert and official warning was issued to the FBI, CIA and members of Congress on Feb 17, 1995 by Joseph BOdansky, Director of the House Task Force of Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. Bodansky worked for Congressman James Saxton, Republican Chairman of the Task Force from New Jersey. The warning spoke of a Middle Eastern attack on a US government building in the Heartland of Amercia which included the Murrah Building.

Congressman Ernest Istook told two deputy sheriffs, Don Hammonds and Dave Kochendorfer, on the night of April 19, 1995 that he, the FBI and Federal authorities got a warning of a terror attack on an OKC Fed Building from a local ME extremeist group in OKC (Hamas which the FBI still refuses to move agasint) on April 9, 1995. Istook told the sheriffs "we blew it". It is beleived that Istook later lied about the matter to the OK County grand jury investigating the OKC bombing. The FBI (James Carlisle)threatened the sheriffs and falsified FBI 302 interviews with the sheriffs.

8 posted on 11/19/2001 8:59:05 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner; BlueDogDemo; honway; golitely; Fred Mertz; LSJohn; Wallaby
US prosecutor Beth Wilkinson admitted in a McVeigh trial hearing in 1996 that the alert was in fact sent and received by Federal authorities in OKC. I found the article with the alert and gave it to ABC news in early May 1995 and ABC showed the alert on their nightly newscast to the nation.

good work here. great work on the new interest developed at the indianapolis star!

9 posted on 11/19/2001 9:30:07 AM PST by thinden
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To: sarcasm; Nancie Drew; BlueDogDemo; Fred Mertz; golitely; LSJohn; Judge Parker; AtticusX...
Supplement to my reply #8:

As noted, Rahman's Fatwah against US Fed Buildings as retaliation over the imprisonments related to the first WTC bombing resulted in the ensuing alerts from the House Task Force and US Marshals relates to the OKC bombing (and 9/11 attacks). What is most significant is that the Hamas cell in OKC who helped carry out the OKC bombing is the same OKC Hamas cell that held a conference in December 1992 in OKC and at that conference plotted the first WTC bombing (and subsequent WTC attacks on 9/11).

The conference was videotaped by CNN reporter (at the time) and terror expert Steve Emerson who gave an interview to the Middle Eastern Review about it in 1997. The terror group that Istook said the FBI received a threat from on April 9, 1995 was the Hamas terror cell in OKC who has demolition experts.

Also noteworthy are recent revelations that McVeigh was an Iraqi agent by the Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. The first WTC attack was carried out by Ramsy Yuseff another Iraqi agent and it was plotted by the Hamas cell in OKC that helped McVeigh and the Iraqis not only for the OKC bombing but for the training and assistance of the 9/11 Hijacker pilots (three met with the Iraqis -Atta,Jarrah and Al-Sheheh).

The head of the local Hamas cell was photographed with the Iraqi suspect Hussaini and an Iraqi intelligence agent(jafar Osman) in OKC shortly after the OKC bombing. McVeigh met with an Iraqi intell recruiters and the head of the OKC Hamas cell in Las Vegas in 1994.

In short the same OKC Hamas cell helped Iraq do the first WTC bombing , the OKC bombing and the 9/11 attacks. The FBI has known this for years and is still not moving agasint the leader of the Hamas cell in OKC or the cell members. The FBI has recently ordered local TV stations and newspapers not to report on the existence of the Hamas cell in OKC. THe same news outlets have resisted my efforts to get them to report on the Hamas cell for over five years, since the OKC bombing.

This cannot be stupidity, or bad judgement, it has to be corruption.!!!

10 posted on 11/19/2001 10:18:21 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
I have always been a strong supporter of capital punishment. In the McVeigh case I determined it would be far wiser to keep him around. I think we're going to rue the day when we killed a guy who could have given us far more names. Even he may have been moved by the WTC bombings. Perhaps not, but we'll certainly never know now. Perhaps a nuclear strike would motivate him to spill his guts. The problem is, we've already killed him.
11 posted on 11/19/2001 10:27:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the troubling additional details. Why won't the feds wipe out the Hamas cell in OKC?

Is there a way that John Q. Public in OKC could keep an eye on them since the feds apparently won't?

12 posted on 11/19/2001 10:57:18 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: OKCSubmariner
"This cannot be stupidity, or bad judgement, it has to be corruption.!!!"

I agree that it it cannot be stupidity or bad judgement. Even though I make cynical comments about the FBI/CIA/etc. I truly do NOT believe they're stupid. I have my own opinion of the real motivations but they tend to require a reader to accept the possibility of end-time struggles, so that causes the GlazedEye effect.

Corruption as a reason is valid, but for what reward? Money, Position, Comfort? I believe the corruption is even more base than that.

13 posted on 11/19/2001 10:59:08 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: sarcasm
'...Rahman allegedly has issued several statements from prison despite scrutiny by authorities. They included two last summer in which he withdrew support for his terrorist group's cease-fire in Egypt. According to court testimony, Rahman, who also is a key figure for Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, issued a fatwa, or holy decree, from prison approving strikes against Americans. The decree reportedly was given to an Al Qaeda member training at a camp in Afghanistan in late 1998...'

My understanding of this, is that this maniac issued a 'Fatwa' against us quite some time ago, and begs the question as to why, after this was already intercepted, were the maniacs that came here allowed to run around without any surveillance?

14 posted on 11/19/2001 11:04:03 AM PST by KeepTheEdge
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To: sarcasm
Maybe why we do not see Arab Hollywood agents. Lousy at getting gigs.
15 posted on 11/19/2001 11:08:10 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: OKCSubmariner
I found the article with the alert and gave it to ABC news in early May 1995 and ABC showed the alert on their nightly newscast to the nation

Great summaries here, thanks. Do you know if the article with the alert has ever been posted? If so, I would like to bookmark it if I can find it. The alert is very telling.

16 posted on 11/19/2001 12:00:14 PM PST by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner
"This cannot be stupidity, or bad judgement, it has to be corruption.!!!"

This bears repeating. Sometimes I shudder when I think about the future of my country.

17 posted on 11/19/2001 1:40:02 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: honway
I looked for that article too. Is anyone besides me having a hard time searching the archives?
18 posted on 11/19/2001 1:47:29 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: sarcasm
BOFP could fix this by letting the "holy man" out into general population in the prison.
19 posted on 11/19/2001 2:15:10 PM PST by Twodees
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To: Fred Mertz; rdavis84; OKCSubmariner
Why won't the feds wipe out the Hamas cell in OKC?

that's the catch 22 of this whole mess, Fred. they can't "wipe um out" because they have their plants infilitrating these terrorist cells in order to stay informed on what the terrorist are doing next.

it takes years to plant someone so deep in a terrorist cell, especially a ME cell. better to blow up a building or two than blow that relationship.

20 posted on 11/19/2001 3:59:55 PM PST by thinden
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