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NEWS CONFERENCE IN L.A.: Irv Rubin, JDL planned bombings, says FBI
CBS 2 - Los Angeles | 12-12-01

Posted on 12/12/2001 11:16:31 AM PST by StoneColdGOP

FBI alleging that members of the JDL had planned to bomb a mosque in Culver City (L.A.) and the office of Congressman Darrell Issa (who is of Lebanese ancestry).


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To: CaptBlack
No, she directly blames Bush's policy against the use of secret evidence (Bush even emphasized this position in one of the presidential debates last year) for the failure to arrest Moussaoui, the man indicted a few days ago for his role in the 9/11 attacks.
101 posted on 12/12/2001 12:21:59 PM PST by Ed_in_LA
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To: Sabramerican
Debbie Schlussel is a Conservative Republican.
102 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:12 PM PST by veronica
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To: Ed_in_LA
No she does not.
103 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:36 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
We depart ways on Schussel.
104 posted on 12/12/2001 12:24:29 PM PST by onyx
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To: Saundra Duffy
Congressman Issa was recently blasting Air France for not allowing him to board a plane to Saudi Arabia. He had purchased a one way ticket with cash and arrived late to the gate. Upon return from his trip to the Middle East the good Congressman declared Hezbolla an innocent organization not guilty of any terror acts at all.
105 posted on 12/12/2001 12:25:10 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: Saundra Duffy
Issa DEFENDED Hizbollah, the folks who made the bomb that hit the USS COLE.

So sorry....He's a scummy guy.

106 posted on 12/12/2001 12:25:19 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
And if anyone else wants an education on Rep. Issa, I heartily recommend a trip over to fec.gov. Check out his donor list, especially the money coming in from committees.

I think Issa and Hilliary have been swapping donor lists.

107 posted on 12/12/2001 12:27:48 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: wimpycat; veronica
I have to agree with #91.

The US must leak like a sieve on intelligence matters in general, so is it unlikely that even our friends would be spying on us? Heck, Monica Lewinsky and even Chandra Levy might've been Israeli agents. Clinton and Condit sure seemed ripe for the picking.

We should just assume it's being done, though continue our commitment to one of the only countries in the world that continues to seize the initiative to act, as opposed to perpetual victims who'd rather sit around on their hands, or blackmail the world by terror, demanding that statehood and/or respect merely be handed them.

108 posted on 12/12/2001 12:28:06 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Ed_in_LA
I was against secret evidence, too, before 9/11. Now, I see it differently, because before 9/11, I didn't think anything like this could really happen to my country. Some in the media and politics were warning us about it, but I thought it was their typical scaremongering. Actually, I still think they were scaremongering, since they didn't know any better than anyone else that this was going to happen. Arabs typically talk much bigger than they walk, but the media folks tend to take them literally.
109 posted on 12/12/2001 12:29:56 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: veronica
More from Schlussel:

"Bush, at his first address to a joint session of Congress declared the end of secret evidence and profiling and, in February, issued a directive to Attorney General John Ashcroft to "work in cooperation with state and local law enforcement to assess the extent and nature of any such practices."

Because of this, FBI agents missed the opportunity to discover and prevent the attacks"

How can you deny that Schlussel blames Bush's policy against the use of secret evidence for the 9/11 attacks?

110 posted on 12/12/2001 12:30:13 PM PST by Ed_in_LA
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To: Ed_in_LA
It's undeniable. Schussel blames Bush. I know what I heard her say to Lee Klein. Lee was thrilled. He loves a conspiracy and he hates Bush.
111 posted on 12/12/2001 12:31:58 PM PST by onyx
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To: CaptBlack; Sabramerican
OK, I read Debbie S's piece on Issa. Let me say that I have never liked Issa (I voted against him when he first ran in the primary, and now vote Libertarian in the general, because the guy is a sleezeball, that does indeed have trouble telling the truth), and if my home was not drawn out of his district, I would vote for the Dem against him, and against him in the primary of course. Having said that, I don't trust Debbie. Debbie appears to be a bit of a b - itch.

What bothers me about Debbie. Well what bothers me is this:

"Pro-Hezbollah utterances by Issa, similar to those in The Tehran Times, were reported by Lebanon's Beirut Daily Star, Syria's National News Agency and even in his own past comments before the committee on which he sits, the House International Relations Committee. Does the Congressional Record lie? "

Nice quote. Naturally I raced through the article looking for the Congressional Record quote, or indeed any of the quotes. I'm still looking. That is not only shoddy journalism, that is - well - being a b - itch.

112 posted on 12/12/2001 12:33:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: veronica
Debbie Schlussel is a Conservative Republican

And I just read her columns about Issa in worldnetdaily. She doesn't pull any punches about Issa, does she?

113 posted on 12/12/2001 12:34:06 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: onedoug
I know everyone does it to everyone else; it's part of the game. But it's also part of the game to aggressively pursue spies who act against the U.S. and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Every spy, from every country, knows the consequences if they're caught by any particular country. That's part of the game, too.
115 posted on 12/12/2001 12:36:30 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Catspaw
She doesn't pull any punches

I don't either.

116 posted on 12/12/2001 12:38:14 PM PST by Torie
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To: onyx
Well then I must admit I have encountered the phenomenon of two commentators, both named Debbie Schlussel, one of whom is a hard right conservative, and the other a "vicious left-winger".
117 posted on 12/12/2001 12:39:05 PM PST by CaptBlack
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To: Ed_in_LA
And what of blaming the policy? Does that somehow make her a "vicous left-winger"? To question or criticize Bush isn't to become left wing.
119 posted on 12/12/2001 12:40:50 PM PST by CaptBlack
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To: Catspaw
And I just read her columns about Issa in worldnetdaily. She doesn't pull any punches about Issa, does she?

No she does not.

120 posted on 12/12/2001 12:42:55 PM PST by veronica
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To: CaptBlack
Well then I must admit I have encountered the phenomenon of two commentators, both named Debbie Schlussel, one of whom is a hard right conservative, and the other a "vicious left-winger".

Finally! A clearer understanding of the press. Thank you.

121 posted on 12/12/2001 12:43:07 PM PST by billhilly
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To: Torie
Yep.

It's time for someone to produce the actual quote or quotes where Issa defends Hezbollah.

I can't find anything to that effect, either, myself. We might be the only two people on FR that actually research claims.

I suspect there's either 1) a quote taken horribly out of context, or 2) a quote where it may be interpreted by some that Issa isn't as condemnatory of Hezbollah as some people would like, but I seriously doubt there's a "Hezbollah Rules!" quote floating around.

122 posted on 12/12/2001 12:44:05 PM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
Are you researching her quote from the Congressional Record?
Yes, you are the ONLY two that do the right thing and research. The rest of us are just mindless dupes, doing the bidding of our puppet masters...give me a break...
123 posted on 12/12/2001 12:47:37 PM PST by CaptBlack
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To: John H K
It's time for someone to produce the actual quote or quotes where Issa defends Hezbollah.

I'm waiting for this too. If it can be substantiated, I'll drop him like a hot rock. But I think what they'll only end up finding are instances of Issa urging Hamas or whoever the hell it is to drop the terrorism. Maybe then Darrell can only be accused of wildly wishful thinking...

124 posted on 12/12/2001 12:50:30 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: wimpycat
#115: I agree with that too. Well put.
125 posted on 12/12/2001 12:58:47 PM PST by onedoug
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To: StoneColdGOP
The JDL has a long history of terrorism.

From the DrudgeReport: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32936-2001Dec12.html

"A suit filed by Rubin resulted in a court decision last year banning prayer during Burbank City Council meetings. "

The media is always reminding us about the danger of "Crhistian Fundamentalists", "White Supremacists" and "Muslims Fundamentalists". Why doesn't the media remind us from the danger presented by Jewish Supremacists and Jewish Fundamentalists such as those in the JDL?

The article on the Drudge Report shows this guy was responsible for banning prayer at Burbank City council meetings. So those of you that think Rubin is only against Arabs or Muslims realize that the JDL is also anti-Christian. The article I linked above also says he burned Confederate flags. So you Southerners realize that this guy also hates Southerners.

Again, my question is why doesn't the liberal media remind us of the danger of Jewish Supremacists and Jewish Fundamentalists like those in the JDL?

126 posted on 12/12/2001 1:06:10 PM PST by Marduk
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To: Marduk
Again, my question is why doesn't the liberal media remind us of the danger of Jewish Supremacists and Jewish Fundamentalists like those in the JDL?

Because there is no such thing as Jewish Supremacists - and 99.9% of 'Jewish Fundamentalists' are peace-loving?

127 posted on 12/12/2001 1:10:28 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Nothing proven there. Denied by Israel as well.

If memory serves me, the Israeli government denied Pollard at first, didn't they?

I saw the Fox News report last night and I thought that they had a lot of facts. They repeated only about half the report this morning - and that half was damaging enough.

I suggest that you keep an open mind. If that's possible.

128 posted on 12/12/2001 1:13:36 PM PST by jackbill
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To: proud patriot
It also sound unbelievable to me and suggests that maybe, just maybe, the leftist America haters have infiltrated FOX.

If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger.

129 posted on 12/12/2001 1:15:00 PM PST by jackbill
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To: veronica
"Because there is no such thing as Jewish Supremacists - and 99.9% of 'Jewish Fundamentalists' are peace-loving?"

The JDL is an example of Jewish Fundamentalists. If there are no Jewish Fundamentalists then I say there are no Christian Fundamentalists. The JDL is a Jewish hate group.

130 posted on 12/12/2001 1:17:11 PM PST by Marduk
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To: StoneColdGOP
I do not know how to post a news article or link, so I am just pasting and copying a link where Issa answers Schussel. The alleged quote is in this article.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25565

131 posted on 12/12/2001 1:17:32 PM PST by dlt
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To: The KG9 Kid
I know where that mosque in Culver City is: It's right across the street from Martin B. Retting gun store.

That makes me feel real secure.

132 posted on 12/12/2001 1:18:08 PM PST by KJMorgan
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To: Marduk
The article on the Drudge Report shows this guy was responsible for banning prayer at Burbank City council meetings. So those of you that think Rubin is only against Arabs or Muslims realize that the JDL is also anti-Christian.

What's anti-Christian about that?

133 posted on 12/12/2001 1:18:38 PM PST by jo6pac
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To: jo6pac
"What's anti-Christian about that?"

The JDL, being a Jewish Supremacist group, probably hates Christian prayers. So they surely support banning all prayer, with the intent of suppressing Christian and all non-Jewish prayer.

135 posted on 12/12/2001 1:23:51 PM PST by Marduk
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To: StoneColdGOP
Isolated event by one kook in a tiny group. Issa is no angel, he winks at terrorist groups, but no excuses for Mr. Rubin. If it's true.
136 posted on 12/12/2001 1:30:05 PM PST by scratchgolfer
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To: OldFriend
Still, anyone who called Bill Clinton a "slut" publicly can't be all bad. For victory & freedom!!!
137 posted on 12/12/2001 2:03:02 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: StoneColdGOP
FWIW, click here for an interesting take on Rep. Issa.
138 posted on 12/12/2001 2:04:12 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
OK, thanks mew...
139 posted on 12/12/2001 2:06:46 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: mewzilla
"My loyalty is to Israel..."

An interesting statement by Bill Morrow.

140 posted on 12/12/2001 2:24:39 PM PST by Marduk
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To: CaptBlack
Well then I must admit I have encountered the phenomenon of two commentators, both named Debbie Schlussel, one of whom is a hard right conservative, and the other a "vicious left-winger".

LOL! Look, Schussel can call herself a Conservative Republican --- McCain does.

141 posted on 12/12/2001 2:51:17 PM PST by onyx
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To: mewzilla
Bill Morrow was the guy who ran against Issa and lost the first time. He is a fundamentalist Christian, or at least that is the source of his backing. He was a nice guy when I met him, but ran a totally sleezy campaign to get himself first elected to the state assemby, by sending out false and misleading, and downright scurrulous, last minute hit mailers on his opponents at the last minute when they did not have time to respond. Politics is a dirty business in California, a very dirty business, in part because the sense of community is so low that these people are only known through ads and mailers.
142 posted on 12/12/2001 2:51:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: StoneColdGOP

Issa is one of the good guys.

Issa is an idiot, but he certainly doesn't deserve to be bombed. Hell, he just voted for a Congressional Resolution of "solidarity with Israel". Looks like JDL has been smoking some bad hash.

143 posted on 12/12/2001 3:16:43 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: College Repub

I may agree with alot of the JDL positions

Then you are a terrorist. I am calling the FBI.

144 posted on 12/12/2001 3:19:13 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: veronica

But Irv Rubin is not stupid so I'll wait to see the evidence.

Come on, Veronica: you never hesitate to criticize the other side. Should I conclude that you are biased?

145 posted on 12/12/2001 3:20:42 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Sabramerican

But if this idiot wanted to strap a bomb to himself and give the Arabs terrorizing Israel (there) a taste of their own medicine...I would have to think long and hard.

Ah, so you are pro-terrorist too. This is getting interesting. So many calls to the Fatherland Security Committee, so little time.

146 posted on 12/12/2001 3:22:07 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Carol-HuTex
BUMP
147 posted on 12/12/2001 3:24:12 PM PST by billhilly
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To: veronica

Every six months, a snake crawls out of its old skin, but it is still a snake. Congressman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., – "Jihad Darrell" – should know this.

You're nuts. He just voted "yes" on "solidarity with Israel". This guy is on your side. You spit on him because he happens to be Lebanese? I am starting to think you are racist. Sad.

148 posted on 12/12/2001 3:24:22 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: proud patriot

It is disgusting that the FBI is going after those who fight terrorists!

So bombing Congressmen is now acceptable to you? You are a friggin terrorist. Go crawl back into your hole, punk.

149 posted on 12/12/2001 3:25:58 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
Every six months, a snake crawls out of its old skin, but it is still a snake. Congressman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., – "Jihad Darrell" – should know this.

I did not write that a columnist did - and others besides her have noted his terrorist apologia. Not that what Rubin did was right, IF it's true.

150 posted on 12/12/2001 3:28:50 PM PST by veronica
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