Posted on 12/12/2001 10:37:07 PM PST by spycatcher
Impossible!!! That is far beyond reason!! No one could do something like that except a deity!
Oh, well, maybe, on second thought. . .
If you look at the Caribbean area on a map, it might look possible the islands to the east formed a blocking chain to the sea when sea level was lower. There would have been plenty of shallow areas and a lot more of it was open land. Some of the rivers that feed it would have carried a lot less water, especially the Mississippi due to the glaciation to the north. Maybe it dried out so they could build cities even below sea level of the time. This hypothesis would add a lot to Noah's Flood, especially since the area is much greater than the Black Sea. 5X or so.
It's called Havana.
LMAO!!!!
Cthulhu is Cuban?
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Of course, the logical rebuttal to this is that that would be about the stupidest of all possible ways to create a flood, like intentional absurdity. God doesn't need to move water around from one planet to another; he can simply make water materialize on-site any one of a thousand different ways. If you are going to posit God as the source of the flood, reason (i.e. Occam's Razor) strongly suggests that God would do it just about any way EXCEPT borrowing water from Mars and dumping it in the Earth's oceans. Only a human (or alien perhaps) would be required to go through such an idiotic feat of rote engineering. Sheesh.
The Flood was part and parcel of a solar-system-wide calamity.
The seven days of intense light just prior to the flood are mentioned twice within a short space in Genesis:
Gen. 7:4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;...
Gen. 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."
These were seven days of intense light, generated by some major cosmic event within our system.
In Isaiah 30:26, we read:
"...Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days..."
Most interpret this as meaning cramming seven days worth of light into one day. That is wrong; the reference is to the seven days prior to the flood. The reference apparently got translated out of a language which doesn't use articles.
It turns out, that the bible claims that Methuselah died in the year of the flood. It may not say so directly (if it does, I don't know where), but the ages given in Genesis 5 along with the note that the flood began in the 600'th year of Noah's life (Genesis 7:11) add up that way:
Gen. 5:25 ->"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters. And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years.
<i.e. he lived 969 - 187 = 782 years after Lamech's birth>
And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years and begat a son. And he called his name Noah...
<182 + 600 = 782 also...>
Thus we have Methusaleh dying in the year of the flood; actually seven days prior to the flood...
Again, Louis Ginzburg's seven-volume "Legends of the Jews", the largest body of Midrashim ever translated into German and English to my knowledge, expands upon the laconic tales of the OT. Midrashim (the full body of rabbinical literature) draw upon ancient sources, passed down from grey antiquity. The work is seven volumes, and about a foot thick counting all volumes.
From Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews, Vol V, page 175:
...however, Lekah, Gen. 7.4) BR 3.6 (in the week of mourning for Methuselah, God caused the primordial light to shine).... God did not wish Methuselah to die at the same time as the sinners...
The reference is, again, to Gen. 7.4, which reads:
"For yet seven days, and I shall cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."
The week of "God causing the primordial lights to shine" was the week of intense light before the flood.
The ancient (but historical) world knew a number of seven-day light festivals, Hanukkah, the Roman Saturnalia etc. Velikovsky claimed that all were ultimately derived from the memory of the seven days prior to the flood.
If this entire deal is a made-up story, then here is a case of the storyteller making extra work for himself with no possible benefit, the detail of the seven days of light being supposedly known amongst the population, and never included in the OT story directly.
Somehow, that doesn't figure. The seven days of intense light noted in ancient literature indicates some sort of a stellar blowout in or near our own system at the time.
I wasn't thinking of a complete 'drying out' of the Gulf. Maybe a reduced, but stable water level. I have some 7,000 year old wood that was dredged ( pipelaying operation) up from the Santa Rosa Sound in northwest Florida. The report on this wood is that it was part of a larger coastal forest that was flooded 7,000 years ago. The wood is well preserved cypress.
Some have speculated that the weight of the ice from the ice age (1-2 miles thick) caused the northern regions to subside and the southern regions to rise and that exactly the opposite occurred after the ice melted. (Southern region subsiding) This theory could explain some of these discoveries, perhaps.
The eye teeth bid has already been declined. The present bid is a 'right arm'. (Rumor is that they will hold out for a 'first born.') Their spokesman, Rumplestiltskin said that..... (..and I am sometimes accused of being to serious, so there!)
By Kathy A. Svitil
The Aymara people of the Bolivian highlands have long told stories of a lost underwater city: Wanaku, the Atlantis of South America. They have whispered tales of a mysterious island in Lake Titicaca, the world's highest navigable lake, with a hidden entrance to underground passageways built by the Inca. Now researchers have found the first concrete evidence that those legends may be true.
In August, divers with the Italian firm of Akakor Geographical Exploring conducted a series of 250 dives in Titicaca's murky waters. Led by a 2300-foot-long ancient road, now under water, they found the remains of a 660-foot-long and 160-foot-wide stone temple between 65 to100 feet below the water's surface. The team also discovered a terrace, a 2600-foot-long containing wall, along with a stone anchor, vases, and bones from cameloid animals such as llama or alpaca that may have been killed in a ritual sacrifice.
The ruins lie in the waters between Bolivia's Copacabana Peninsula and Isla del Sol, home to the Temple of the Sun, where the Incan dynasty is said to have been born. They date to between 1,500 and 1,000 years ago, before the rise of the Incan Empire, when the Tiahuanaco people occupied the shores of Titicaca.
The submerged ruins may be the remains of the Aymara's legendary city, or could have been assimilated by the Inca Empire itself. "The underground passageways were reputed to link many parts of the Incan Empire with the capital at Cuzco," says head diver Stefano Castelli. "Somebody else said he removed a stone from the bottom of the lake, and saw water going down inside the hole."
For what purpose? Foot traffic? Laser commuications grid? Misunderstood tradition left from their Martian ancestors at 19 degrees South latitude after the oceans were transported in 7 days from Mars to earth?
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