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The respect shown to Muslim name changes -- except for one.
The media ^ | Dec. 19, 2001 | Me

Posted on 12/19/2001 9:05:19 AM PST by self_evident

I've noticed something odd. In recent years, a number of people have changed their names in deference to their religion. Usually they are Muslim, although if I remember correctly, Jews that emigrated to Isreal also changed theirs. In the case of American sports figures and celebrities, these name changes were instantly adhered to and respected. They've include:

Muhomad Ali --Cassius Clay
Karim Abdul-Jabbar -- Lew Alcindor
Hakim Olajuwan -- Akeem Olajuwan

And on and on. Heck even the change from dorSETT to DORsett was respected. Except, now for one.

Suleyman al-Faris

aka the American Taliban, whom the media sympathetically refers to as "John Walker" or "John Walker Lindh" -- against his stated wishes. Is it just me, or shouldn't the media refer to him as "Suleyman al-Faris, Al-Queda member, and sycophant of Osama bin Laden" as he prefers?


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1 posted on 12/19/2001 9:05:20 AM PST by self_evident
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To: self_evident
Good observation.
2 posted on 12/19/2001 9:09:44 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: self_evident
Maybe because he never legally changed his name?
3 posted on 12/19/2001 9:10:30 AM PST by Hugin
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To: self_evident
these name changes were instantly adhered to and respected. They've include:

Muhomad Ali --Cassius Clay

I guess the Author of this article wasn't around during the start of the Viet Nam war.

Cassius Clay changed his name and religion TO EVADE THE DRAFT!

I wouldn't say he was instantly adhered to and respected by all of us who had to go in his place!

4 posted on 12/19/2001 9:12:08 AM PST by DH
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To: self_evident
Usually they are Muslim, although if I remember correctly, Jews that emigrated to Isreal also changed theirs

Mmm.. Maybe their first names. But then again, many people who come to US from other nations americanize their names as well.

5 posted on 12/19/2001 9:13:15 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: self_evident
Actually, Jihad Johnny has changed his name numerable times. Was born John Lindh. Then he was John Walker Lindh, then just John Walker. He then started taking muslim names, of which he has had 3 that I know of. So, Jihad Johnny has had 6 names that I know of. He himself can not stick with a name. But there is one name that will stick with him forever... Traitor!
6 posted on 12/19/2001 9:21:12 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Maybe he should just incorporate all those names and personalities into one. I suggest "Sybil".
7 posted on 12/19/2001 9:47:40 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: DH
You are quite correct, and I stand corrected. I remember hating him, although I was very young at the time. Odd how now the media reports that everyone loves him now, isn't it? I think that has something to do with the fact that he can't talk anymore.
8 posted on 12/19/2001 9:53:17 AM PST by self_evident
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To: self_evident
Here's a possible difference between Walker and those other people ... Didn't all those people whom you mentioned change their names LEGALLY? (I'm assuming they did .... maybe I am wrong. Correct me if so.) Under the law in most states you can go to court and change your name to just about anything. But as far as I know, this Walker character never did change his name legally in court -- in the U.S. at least. So legally he is still John Walker. Although I've seen some references to him as John Walker Lindh, Lindh being, I think, his mother's name.)
9 posted on 12/19/2001 10:08:40 AM PST by ikurrina
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To: self_evident
Didn't he sign that last letter to his parents as "John Lindh"? ...a name he hasn't gone by in years. This guy is furiously trying to wash his hands of all guilt to save his own skin.
10 posted on 12/19/2001 10:18:42 AM PST by Land of the Irish
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"Cassius Clay changed his name and religion TO EVADE THE DRAFT!"

How does changing your name help you to avoid the draft?

And if his sole objective was to avoid military service, Cassius could have picked an easier out than becoming a Muslim. Islam isn't one of the religions that normally gets you out of military service. If that was his aim, looks like he would have become a Quaker, or a Mennonite, or some other group that is historically pacifist . Cassius Clay did eventually succeed in getting his conscientious objector status, but it took a long time and a protracted court fight, including a trial and conviction, before the Supreme Court finally allowed his claim. During this time he was stripped of his heavyweight boxing title and his boxing license was suspended. I'm not particularly a fan of Cassius Clay but I think he had to be doing this from some sincere belief, however misguided. If he had gone into the army, after all, as heavyweight champion he probably wouldn't have had to do more than do boxing exhibitions anyway.

11 posted on 12/19/2001 10:19:45 AM PST by ikurrina
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To: DH
"Cassius Clay changed his name and religion TO EVADE THE DRAFT!"

How does changing your name help you to avoid the draft?

And if his sole objective was to avoid military service, Cassius could have picked an easier out than becoming a Muslim. Islam isn't one of the religions that normally gets you out of military service. If that was his aim, looks like he would have become a Quaker, or a Mennonite, or some other group that is historically pacifist . Cassius Clay did eventually succeed in getting his conscientious objector status, but it took a long time and a protracted court fight, including a trial and conviction, before the Supreme Court finally allowed his claim. During this time he was stripped of his heavyweight boxing title and his boxing license was suspended.

I'm not particularly a fan of Cassius Clay, but I think he must have doing this from some sincere belief, however misguided and empty headed.

If he had gone into the army, after all, as heavyweight champion he probably wouldn't have had to do more than appear at public events and do boxing exhibitions anyway.

12 posted on 12/19/2001 10:20:58 AM PST by ikurrina
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Sorry ... once again .... hit button twice & posted on same subject twice. Is there a delete function on Free Republic? Thanks for your indulgence and understanding.
13 posted on 12/19/2001 10:22:12 AM PST by ikurrina
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To: ikurrina
"... Is there a delete function on Free Republic?"

Don't we wish.

14 posted on 12/19/2001 10:25:21 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: ikurrina
Lindh is his fathers name, which he has apparently re-adopted. He probably did not change his legal name - although I have read reports that he was angry that his parents failed to use it.
15 posted on 12/19/2001 10:36:06 AM PST by self_evident
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Your examples were all of African Americans, and perhaps other minorities would also find it easy to change names.

But if one is white, not so easy! Remember that David Koresh, whose name change was totally legal, done by the courts in Los Angeles County in 1990, is still belittled as "Howell" or "Vernon"-- in honor of his unwed birthfather who never married Koresh's mother nor visited nor supported the future "prophet"--...even in official government documents related to Waco.

Even the Davidians themselves are called "Vernonists" or "Howellists" in government documents, even though the Davidian sect was founded 30 years almost to the day, before Koresh/Howell was even BORN, much less joined the sect....

16 posted on 12/19/2001 10:46:22 AM PST by crystalk
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To: ikurrina
Something that would let the author of a post go back and alter it (I have seen embarrassing typos and unnoticed doubles entendres in my own posts at times)...or even delete it if in retrospect it is felt unwise...to say nothing of this system that double-posts or no-posts (yes, yes, I know, technically due to human error, so they say)...about 2 to 5% of the time...
17 posted on 12/19/2001 10:49:19 AM PST by crystalk
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To: self_evident
who cares what his name is? it's what he does that matters. and he DOES deserve to die a slow, painful death
18 posted on 12/19/2001 10:50:38 AM PST by Jaysin
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To: ikurrina
Lindh being, I think, his mother's name...

Lindh is his father's name. Walker is his mother's name. I think this early name change is symtomaic of a kid who is really angry at his parents' divorce -- not that that is an excuse for the rest of the despicable stuff he's done.

We had a son-in-law at one time who did the same thing -- just to get back at his father. It became evident that he was nuts in other ways too, and I'm thankful to say that the marriage was annulled.

19 posted on 12/19/2001 11:03:34 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
symtomaic = symptomanic
20 posted on 12/19/2001 11:04:21 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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