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Scientists planted hairs from lynx in 3rd forest
Washington Times ^ | 01/04/2002 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 01/03/2002 10:25:56 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:50:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Government scientists planted samples of lynx hairs in a third national forest, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

"A preliminary investigation by the U.S. Forest Service said planted samples were submitted from the Mount Baker/Snoqualmie National Forest in Washington state, but the report did not say how many additional samples were submitted from that region.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviralists; klamathbasincrisis
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To: willyone
*Sigh*...you don't keep up on current events much do you...the info on Bush vs. Environmentalists can be found at the following website...

Sierra Club

When the facts on that website are presented, we find that the only reason your nose is out of joint is because you have shoved your head in the sand. Bush is doing everything he can to limit the influence of the envirowhackos on policy, he doesn't need to kiss anyone's ass for votes.

121 posted on 01/04/2002 1:19:48 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the bump and article.
122 posted on 01/04/2002 1:36:37 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: MarkWar
Why is anyone surprised ? The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service under the sainted liar Rachel Carson supported her and her bogus " research" and gave her awards and rewards even after she admitted lying, making up data, misinterpretind real data, forging data and drawing illogical and extraneous conclusions. She admitted all this and said " (my) agenda is more important than the truth..." . Why is anyone surprised that the Commies are still in control and lying still in the same service ??? Besides I've been wondering where all these endangered shit flies buzzin' around D.C. came from. Now we know. Rachel Carson , the leftist liar , is still believed and revered by 99.99% of all Americans who are typically uninformed and a product of their revisionist textbooks from a corrupt educational racket.
123 posted on 01/04/2002 1:39:11 PM PST by chemainus
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To: CPT Clay
Hell, 75% of them would have to go.... lets don't go into using federal grants to screen research for venture capital companies to get fat on while the U.S. taxpayer just pays and pays and pays and puts the "scientists" up a little higher in the ivory tower..... lets stay away from criticising the venerable " scientists' .... who the hell do you think pays them ??? Who controls the purse strings...
124 posted on 01/04/2002 1:43:27 PM PST by chemainus
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To: All
This is no earth shaking event in my eyes! These envirals are NOT, repeat NOT, scientists. The very best they could be called is investigators (and now we see what kind of investigations they do). They never have to prove sensitivity or specificity to their "data", most of the time they don't even have to prove their data! I would hazard an intelligent "guess" (this is based on all the enviral trash papers that I have read, and that's a lot) that is data is sooooo exstrapalated and manipulated that it losses all accuracy at the end of thier study.

Real, honest to goodness scientists, like myself, work long and hard on a project. We must produce volumes upon volumes of statistical data before we go to the next research step. That next step requires controlled testing and impecable record keeping, along with strict scientific analysis. All the way through the process the data must be kept "clean" and it must be analyzed by several different teams for absolute accuracy. Anybody gets caught "fudging", or presents falsified data they get canned (never to work in research again) and the entire project goes back to the beginning, do not pass "go", do not collect $200. Millions of dollars are wasted when this happens. Sometimes the project is dumped all together. Many of you that don't work in medical research don't realize that this has happened, and happens to this day. The people responsible for this are thrown out of the medical research community, they are branded, and they are never permitted to do ANY research activities again. The scientific community does not allow these breaches of protocol, they can't afford to.

Now, one might argue that this doesn't compare with medical research. Afterall, medicine deals with human life, and it should be held to a higher standard.......RIGHT? Well, are the lives of the farmers and ranchers in these areas any less important than a sick patient with a certain disease? Are the incomes and families of the people that live there any more important than that of those same sick people? Is the premise of the Constitution that accorded private property RIGHTS to the citizens of these here United States less important than the sick people with some terrible illness? Should environmental "science" be held to the same strict standards that medicial research is held to?

Those are a bunch of questions to answer, I know. I see it every day. Remember when the einvirals got their underwear in a bunch about alligators? They made all these "factoids" about the alligator is an endangered species. Stop killing the poor, innocent alligator. They came up with a statistic that supported their claim that the alligator was disappearing in north america. We believed it, and we stopped killing alligators for shoes, suitcases, and handbags. But, the Cajuns in the swamps of Louisiana didn't! Where they live they don't really get much "government intervention". Now we have an over proliferation of alligator populations in FLA (they were liberal enough to believe the "cooked" numbers of the envirals). They eat dogs, cats, potbellied pigs, and (sadly) little kids. When this debacle hits the envirals proclaim that they have saved the species and the harvesting of alligators can go ahead (regulated, of course). Here's the payoff----Louisiana never had this problem. They never stopped the hunt. Consequently, Louisiana never had to play catch-up with the rest of the south on this manure! Thank God for those defiant Cajuns in those southern Louisiana swamps. It turns out they were much better "conservationalists" than your average, run of the mill, ivy league educated, yankee, enviral, sommitch! How do you count alligators? You live with them, you hunt 'em, you eat 'em, that how! Believe me, those Cajuns, in those swamps are more of a scientist that 300 of those arrogant bastards that claim a degree!

125 posted on 01/04/2002 1:48:23 PM PST by timydnuc
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To: anniegetyourgun
From This 1999 article:
Impeachment isn't the only narrow issue on disaffected constituents' minds. Social and fiscal conservatives have plenty of disappointments to choose from: Sen. Gorton was AWOL during last year's debate on banning race and gender preferences in state government. He is an unabashed supporter of corporate welfare for professional sports teams and timber companies. He co-authored an op-ed article last year with state Attorney General Christine Gregoire, a protege and potential opponent, in support of monstrous tobacco legislation that would have hiked cigarette taxes and given unprecedented regulatory powers to the Food and Drug Administration.
He and his ilk are what you think we should all vote for, because they "have a chance of winning"? No thanks.
126 posted on 01/04/2002 2:00:03 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Oops, it would help if I put in the link. Here's the article: Soft-'n'-cuddly Slade isn't fooling anybody
127 posted on 01/04/2002 2:01:58 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Pokey78
This sort of thing is what has been going on in all areas,parks,environment,guns and etc.for the last 30 to 35 years.All the claims we have been hearing and the resulting unjust laws came about because of all of this fraud.
128 posted on 01/04/2002 2:06:44 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: timydnuc
The best reply on this entire thread. Spot-on!
129 posted on 01/04/2002 2:26:11 PM PST by SW6906
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To: SW6906
Thanks---somebody is listening!
130 posted on 01/04/2002 2:35:24 PM PST by timydnuc
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To: MadameAxe
You're right - he wasn't perfect by any means. Of course, he would have been on the issue of this post with a vengance. But, of course, if you prefer Maria....
131 posted on 01/04/2002 2:46:43 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Of course I don't. The point is, *neither* of them represented my views, and there was a candidate in the race who I did prefer, so that is who I voted for.

Instant runoff voting would allow people to vote positively, for those who best represent their views, instead of the "lesser of two evils", and end up with a candidate who most of the electorate agreed on even if it wasn't everyone's first choice. I urge you to look into it, if you are really interested in the best candidates being elected, and seeing that there are no "wasted" votes.

132 posted on 01/04/2002 3:04:48 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
"...there was a candidate in the race who I did prefer, so that is who I voted for. "

And in the absence of "instant runoff" you elected Maria.

133 posted on 01/04/2002 3:07:03 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: timydnuc
--I liked it, too, by the way. would actually like to go gator huntin one day! hehehehe, how about underwater, with a speargun?
134 posted on 01/04/2002 3:12:55 PM PST by zog
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To: editor-surveyor
Thank You!

You never know when they'll fire up a "cat survey" in my neighborhood.. whoops, they already have (Northern MN).

135 posted on 01/04/2002 3:22:57 PM PST by pad 34
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To: anniegetyourgun
No, the people who voted for her did. Sorry you can't or won't see that.
136 posted on 01/04/2002 3:26:57 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
In many ways, you are right - the majority of Washingtonians who voted chose her. But so did those who stayed home or otherwise wasted their influence.
137 posted on 01/04/2002 3:33:06 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
This story is the perfect example of why the Endangered Species Act MUST be reformed! Call your congressmen!
138 posted on 01/04/2002 3:35:31 PM PST by Beamer
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To: anniegetyourgun
Senator Cantwell...she's a flaming lib who replaced Senator Gorton...he was ousted by folks like you who opted out, so now I have to deal with a senator who has been bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton.

There was so little difference between the R and D candidates as to be negligible. This is usually the case. Two big-government candidates from the two halves of the Incumbent party arguing over who has the best government programs. When Republicans start offering real small-government candidates who will stand their ground and not cowtow and pander like a political whore to every special interest group who promises campaign contributions, and who will actually deliver on their endless promises to reduce government, then maybe they'll start winning back people like me. Until then they will continue losing elections.

139 posted on 01/04/2002 3:45:08 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: anniegetyourgun
But so did those who stayed home or otherwise wasted their influence.

Perhaps if the "R"s in WA want the votes of libertarians in the next election, they should field a candidate who pays more than lip service (or no service at all!) to his supposed commitment to smaller, less intrusive government.

Meanwhile, I will promote IRV to everyone I run across as a fair and reasonable alternative to current election procedures. I guess it must not seem as attractive to major party people as it does to me, since, if implemented, it might shatter the myth that 3rd party candidates are "unelectable".

In any case, I see no value in beating people over the head with a past election whose results were dissatisfactory, if one is interested in those same people supporting one's candidates in a future election. Seems almost counterproductive.

140 posted on 01/04/2002 3:45:56 PM PST by MadameAxe
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