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Scientists planted hairs from lynx in 3rd forest
Washington Times ^ | 01/04/2002 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 01/03/2002 10:25:56 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:50:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Government scientists planted samples of lynx hairs in a third national forest, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

"A preliminary investigation by the U.S. Forest Service said planted samples were submitted from the Mount Baker/Snoqualmie National Forest in Washington state, but the report did not say how many additional samples were submitted from that region.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviralists; klamathbasincrisis
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To: zog
Yes, I know many like you who have given up.
41 posted on 01/04/2002 5:34:03 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
The lefties have been BUSTED AGAIN. I love it. Now give us the land back, liberal theives!
I love it when the crimminals in this country are caught "red" handed!
42 posted on 01/04/2002 5:47:03 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Pokey78,brat
Government bureacrats has always slanted their rports to get their way.

From WACO to Ruby Ridge to clean air act, to U.N. reports.

Congress can be so easily led by these reportsM

43 posted on 01/04/2002 5:54:45 AM PST by expose
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To: Pokey78
The initial Forest Service investigation raises the specter that agenda-driven biologists may have taken matters into their own hands

Something like this would never be done in some other agenda-driven scientific field, like, say, evolution science, right?

44 posted on 01/04/2002 5:58:37 AM PST by KillerWabbit
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To: Always Right
All "science" connected with environmentalism is at least partially tainted. NO, it's ALL tainted.

These are not 'scientists,' they are only POLITICAL activists with an agenda. The whole notion of planting evidence or faking your data to support an agenda is anti-science.

Environmentalism started in 1972 and has just now come to its end.

Environmentalism -- R.I.P.

It's fraud is over now.

Stop all governement funding for environmentalism now!

45 posted on 01/04/2002 6:01:23 AM PST by flamefront
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To: anniegetyourgun
--oh, bite me. You don't know me and I haven't "given up". That's a bald faced lie, and you failed to address a single point of my original post to boot. What has happened to me is that I-finally and reluctantly, but it happened- realise that most people have stuck to the notion that if they vote in liar A or liar B that anything besides lie A or lie B federal actions will result. THOSE people have given up-given up thinking and looking at the evidence. They are sticking to their ostrich head in the sand cultish belief that somehow "Just one more election cycle" of switching around a group of capital R repubs and capital D dems is going to solve anything substantial, and I contend that is naieve and stupid anymore, to anyone who takes the time to step back and actually LOOK at the evidence.

This lynx fur deal is a real issue, and should be persued, but I'll repeat--so what? So what if all the scientists involved are found guilty, and get jail time? Then what? That's going to stop the land grabs? That's going to stop this juggernaut of federal ownership aned control?

Let's revisit klamath again, shall we? The "science" involved in the klamath situation is so fundamentally flawed as to be ridiculous, EVERYONE involved in it from bush and norton on down the pike to the local street sweeper knows it, and exactly what again has this REPUBLICAN administration done about it? Go ahead, list what they have done to 'fix" this situation. Go ahead, be my guest, show me how the farmers are all un-screwed now, let's see some URL's supporting that notion. How many examples can you find where the constitution and common sense and basic human dignity and 'rightness"is actually followed. I'd like to see them myself.

My bottom line is I merely switched my personal "activism"-which is as strong as it ever was- to what is right and wrong for the US, I don't push some hack political party lying partisan agenda. Let the gooners at DU do that, I ain't interested, and I wish more constitutionalists would follow that as well. I used to, push party politics, but finally had to admit to myself that supporting those lying paid off bribed and blackmailed pieces of crap and those bogus two party's was a no win situation for the nation. That isn't "giving up", that's being realistic and looking at events over decades. I will not support either the political party crips or the bloods, they are both gangs. There's a gang of them at 'the other sites" and there's sure a gang of them here, but at least at freepers there are a few constitutionalists left. I compare what those political gangsters say,and then what happens, it's always two completely different things. They mumble some differnces, but bottom reality is full speed ahead total federal control of the people and material wealth of this nation. I'm just not going to keep biting on their lies anymore, so in that sense, you are right, I "gave up" supporting any liars.

46 posted on 01/04/2002 6:09:38 AM PST by zog
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To: zog
Yes, I understand that you are voting for those who cannot win. Like I said, you've given up. Enjoy your less than single-digit candidates "victories."
47 posted on 01/04/2002 6:14:25 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
"The investigation was concluded in June, and the employees were disciplined but not fired. Federal officials refuse to name their employees, citing privacy reasons."

Have to fire the employees, their bosses, and anyone else who obstructs this investigation. Off to write my congressman, cheers:)

48 posted on 01/04/2002 6:16:44 AM PST by monday
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To: Pokey78
The World's No.1 Science & Technology News Service

Plot to undermine global pollution controls revealed

19:00 02 January 02

Mick Hamer

A secret group of developed nations conspired to limit the effectiveness of the UN's first conference on the environment, held in Stockholm in 1972. The existence of this cabal, known as the Brussels group, is revealed in 30-year-old British government records that were kept secret until this week.

The Stockholm conference was set up in response to rising concern about damage to the environment. It ended with a ringing declaration of the need to protect the natural world, and the UN Environment Programme was set up as a result.

But the ambitious aims of the conference organisers, who included Maurice Strong, the first director-general of UNEP, were held in check by the activities of the Brussels group, which included Britain, the US, Germany, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands and France.

The group was "an unofficial policy-making body to concert the views of the principal governments concerned", according to a note of one of the group's first meetings written by a civil servant in the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office. "It will have to remain informal and confidential." This meeting took place in July 1971, nearly a year before the Stockholm conference opened.

Familiar arguments

Many of the arguments the group employed would sound familiar to today's anti-globalisation protesters. The group was concerned that environmental regulations would restrict trade and also wanted to stop UNEP having a large budget to spend as it saw fit. Foreign Office papers say the group "made real progress on this difficult problem", though without specifying how this was done.

The group seemed unconcerned about what its stance would mean for poorer countries. Its chief aim in the diplomatic jockeying during the run-up to Stockholm was for developed countries to get what they wanted "and perhaps be less worried about making it a success for developing countries".

This unalloyed self-interest won it few friends, and the notes record that Strong had already been grumbling about the group's activities. "We may get some criticism from the Swedes and others [and] we must be careful when expanding the group not to include awkward bedfellows," the note adds.

Sonic booms

A more concrete idea of the group's aims can be gleaned from a note laying out Britain's position prior to a secret meeting in Geneva in December 1971, one of a number of such meetings in the run-up to Stockholm.

Written by an official in what was then the Department of the Environment, it says that Britain wanted to restrict the scope of the Stockholm conference and reduce the number of proposals for action. In an indirect reference to what would later become UNEP, the paper says a "new and expensive international organisation must be avoided, but a small effective central coordinating mechanism ... would not be welcome but is probably inevitable".

It then goes on to detail the subjects that Britain wanted left out of the Stockholm action plans. At the top of the list were controls on sonic booms from aircraft and pollution in the upper atmosphere. These measures would have seriously damaged the economics of the Anglo-French supersonic airliner, Concorde.

Moral pressure

At the time, Concorde was already in deep trouble, with only the British and French national airlines likely to buy it, and earlier in the year the British Cabinet had discussed axing the plane. Arguments raged about whether the noisy plane would be allowed to land in New York. Controls on sonic booms could have sounded its death knell.

The British government was also firmly opposed to any international standards regulating environmental quality or polluting emissions. It feared that any international agreement might force it to clean up its act.

"Universal guidelines ... could cause moral pressure for compliance with philosophies of doubtful validity or benefit," say the papers.

Despite the efforts of the Brussels group, the Stockholm conference is widely recognised to have been a watershed. Though the group's lobbying ensured the conference focused on only a limited number of subjects, such as transboundary pollution, UNEP later tackled a wider range of topics such as the problems of deforestation and urbanisation.

49 posted on 01/04/2002 6:17:39 AM PST by expose
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To: Pokey78
>Government scientists planted samples of lynx hairs in a third national forest, according to documents obtained by The Washington Times.

But, but, "conspiracy theories" are just delusions of lone nuts and wackos... You mean sometimes they really exist?!

lol.

Mark W.

50 posted on 01/04/2002 6:25:05 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Pokey78
This trick has been used before in the Western forests. In the early 1990s the environmentalists set up a secret spotted owl breeding center. When an area of national forest would come up for logging bids, the enviros would release a pair of owls there so that the birds could be observed. The result: unemployed loggers, devastated rural economies, and forests full of dead trees (bugs and fungus killl them if they are not cut at maturity). Eventually the forest will be consumed in very hot forest fires that sterilize the soil and prevent natural regrowth of vegetation.
51 posted on 01/04/2002 6:25:42 AM PST by darth
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To: johnny reb
See "Son of CARA!" passed w/o a vote!
52 posted on 01/04/2002 6:35:31 AM PST by SierraWasp
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To: Pokey78
An agenda driven scientist planting lynx hairs? Puck 'em. We got automobile driven people sprinkling paint chips from their Lynxs. We can show that the car was in the forest first!
53 posted on 01/04/2002 6:42:28 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Leisler
"Hum, maybe I'll report seeing jackalopes eating there at dawn"


54 posted on 01/04/2002 6:43:04 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Pokey78
Is this a new article? I think this has been posted already.
55 posted on 01/04/2002 6:48:16 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Same MO, new forest.
56 posted on 01/04/2002 6:54:39 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: DoughtyOne
You'd could almost see these groups gathering together to protect a species of fish that isn't even endangered, to the detriment of thousands of farming families.

Not to mention the lives of three firefighters lost because they could not draw water from the river to contain the fire.

57 posted on 01/04/2002 7:14:58 AM PST by Attillathehon
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To: RGSpincich
Are there other articles on this kind of deception? I'd like to start building a list.
58 posted on 01/04/2002 7:31:05 AM PST by untenured
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To: anniegetyourgun
--at least I'm not corrupting and disrupting this INDEPENDENT website with politcal party agenda pushing, aned I vote my conscious. If you notice, I don't push any one candidate or political party on this site, following the rules and guidelines as stated on the first page of freerepublic. Grassroots independent conservatives, it doesn't say 'republican party forum and website". Read it again, I take Mr. Robinson at his word on that deal, he wrote it, it's his site, I follow the rules. Go ahead and keep believing that the republican party is going to "save" you, after maybe the one hundreth time they let you down, maybe you'll stop and take notice. I'm betting there's more than one past repub bush voter farmer over in klamath that this has finally bingoed with. It's real easy to ignore your own party's failings and lies, until it effects you personally and you become a victim. So, don't worry, you'll get your chance to be a victim, same as everyone. .
59 posted on 01/04/2002 8:07:53 AM PST by zog
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To: Pokey78
"Additionally, the report says three to five falsified samples were submitted by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife"

Obviously, these "scientists" were simply testing the accuracy of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlfe. <*/SARCASM>

60 posted on 01/04/2002 8:11:15 AM PST by cake_crumb
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