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Just Witnessed Possible CAP Flight Intercept
My own personal self | 1/4/02 | Psalm37

Posted on 01/04/2002 2:41:29 PM PST by psalm37

About 30 Minutes ago, 6:10-ish Eastern Time I was outside and noticed three aircraft flying South. I'm inside the Beltway, in Northern VA (about 10 miles from DC); I'd guess these aircraft were not actually over DC, but close.

The lead aircraft was lit up like an airliner at low altitude, the other two were definitely CAP aircraft, with just white blinking beacons (one each). The CAPs came up behind the airliner at high speed then backed off to match speed with it. Then the CAP to the left sped up and came so close to the airliner that I could not distinguish which was which. I never heard any engine or other noises because they were all too far away, and at this time of evening, rush-hour traffic is in full swing - lots of ambient sounds.

Next they all started turning to the left and straightened out heading North-Eastward. At this time either the airliner or the CAP closest to it showed a new light, which was very intense, and looked yellow/orange. At this point I would have been looking at them from the rear and left. I watched this scene, including the new, intense, yellow/orange light for another 10-15 seconds before I lost sight of them in the trees.

At first I wondered if this was a mid-air re-fueling, with the brightest light being used for visibility purposes, but I wonder if they would re-fuel like that at such low altitude, and over such a highly populated area.


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To: psalm37
hate to be stupid...but what is Cap?
41 posted on 01/04/2002 3:23:11 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: psalm37
I am expecting the moderators to go all delete happy like they always do on threads like this so I have saved your post on my comp in case this occurs.
42 posted on 01/04/2002 3:24:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: longshadow
It was probably the CAP aircraft being refueled. I know it is not normal for aircraft to refuel low and over metro areas...but since Sep 11th...it has happened.

I am in the Air Force (5 years to retirement!) and witnessed the very thing that Psalm37 witnessed over Houston on my way into work at Ellington Field. I thought the very same thing at first..."who are they intercepting?". They were flying west and low (about 5000') and banking towards to south. Of course...I have a source of info that Psalm37 doesn't...my office is right outside the Wing CO's office. So...they first thing I did was ask him and he told me it was CAP being refueled.

BTW...the guys flying CAP now over NYC and sometimes DC are from Houston...the same unit that escorted Bush back from FL on Sept 11th.

43 posted on 01/04/2002 3:27:27 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: be-baw
CAP is an acronym for Combat Air Patrol. CAP is also an acronym for Civil Air Patrol. The CAP the poster is talking about is the Combat Air Patrol...the fighters that intercept aircraft.
44 posted on 01/04/2002 3:29:16 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: psalm37
Okay, maybe we can use you as a spy there, but you did have to prove your credentials!
45 posted on 01/04/2002 3:29:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: rwfromkansas
Combat Air Patrol

I care not whether the thread survives or otherwise. I saw something unusual, reported it, gave further explanations, done.

Now if it WAS something newsworthy, and IF we ever hear about it in the news, I'll be able to say (mostly to myself), "Hey, I saw some of that happening!".

46 posted on 01/04/2002 3:29:51 PM PST by psalm37
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To: psalm37
Please see post #43 to Longshadow...and next time you see them...wave...they might be the guys who escorted Bush on Sept 11th.
47 posted on 01/04/2002 3:30:26 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: psalm37
I'm betting you saw a in-flight refueling. It may have been a practice intercept combined with an IFR. We see them here in the Knoxville area quite often (they fly KC-135's out of Knoxville)
48 posted on 01/04/2002 3:31:27 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: psalm37
Based on Nelson's testimony, I am inclined to think it was just a refueling. Who knows though. In any case, it doesn't sound like there was a forced landing or anything so probably nothing sinister. Thanks for posting anyway. If people see something odd, they should post it here.
49 posted on 01/04/2002 3:32:32 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: psalm37
We have an airfield at Fort Belvoir. During time of war it has a lot of traffic. They have another one further South at Quantico. Then, there's another one even further South.

Not everything going on has to do with Andrews AFB or DCA.

50 posted on 01/04/2002 3:32:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NELSON111
Excellent! Thanks for the knowledge. I'd much rather observe readiness for action than action itself.
51 posted on 01/04/2002 3:32:56 PM PST by psalm37
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To: Uncle Fud
The Citizen's Auxilary Police. Time for a flare drop.
53 posted on 01/04/2002 3:35:06 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: psalm37
I hope you didn't take me to be disrespectful, I didn't mean to be.

I work at a large airport as crash fire rescue, and it amazes me sometimes

how they seem to be running into each other at night, and yet they are 5 miles apart!

Sometimes the military aircraft land in pairs, side by side, with another pair right behind them,

then do a combat takeoff almost straight up and shoot away.

In fact, the guys covering the DFW area come here to refuel if its quicker than going to the base.

But where you are has got to be the one of the hot places for coverage. Theres no telling what was going on.

54 posted on 01/04/2002 3:35:37 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: be-baw
No, CAP stands for Combat Air Patrol!
55 posted on 01/04/2002 3:36:20 PM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Dog Gone
I'm glad to have passed muster (sort of like Shibboleth). Since I've seldom posted (lurked for years), I'm not household name. Challenge me on anything you like, anytime you like. If I'm wrong, maybe I'll learn something.
56 posted on 01/04/2002 3:37:12 PM PST by psalm37
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To: SentryoverAmerica
The cover of the Boston Herald a couple weeks ago clearly showed a mid-air refueling occuring directly over Manhattan. Not theory but fact. In the picture (that was taken from the refueling plane) you could clearly see the F-16 and below it, the skyline of New York City.
57 posted on 01/04/2002 3:37:22 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: psalm37
One version of the F-16, the F-16A\ADF (Air Defence Fighter) is flown by some Air Guard units.

This type has an extra identification light, about the size of a landing light. It is mounted on the left side of the nose, pointing left slightly fwd and slightly up. The light allows the F-16 pilot to intercept another aircraft and slide in behind and low, out of veiw from the other pilot. The F-16 pilot then turns on the ID light and can get a good look at the tail markings and numbers of the intercepted aircraft.

You probably did see an intercept as the Washington area is a very high security area under constant airborn CAP. Aircraft are intercepted and identified on a routine basis. You probably saw the ID light reflected off the intercepted aircrafts' tail.

58 posted on 01/04/2002 3:39:11 PM PST by Wrench Bender
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To: Cagey
I think he means that he was outdoors watching three planes get stuck in traffic on the Beltway.
59 posted on 01/04/2002 3:39:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: psalm37
Sounds kinda weird. If we hear about an airliner in your area being intercepted on the news tonight, we'll know you probably saw it happen.
60 posted on 01/04/2002 3:40:13 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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