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WCCA legislative alert: Doyle's anti-terrorism bill bans guns
Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association ^
| January 17, 2002
Posted on 01/18/2002 12:52:46 PM PST by gnarledmaw
January 17, 2002
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
For more information, contact: senator Dave Zien, (608) 266-7511
Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
Pump Shotguns and Most Other Firearms Banned
Virtually every gun used to hunt in Wisconsin would be illegal to use under a bill authored by Senator Jim Baumgart at the request Attorney General Jim Doyle.
The supposed terrorism legislation would outlaw the use of any pump, lever or bolt action rifle or shotgun as well as any revolver or semi-automatic firearm for hunting, self-defense or target practice. In fact, only single-shot firearms, less than one-percent of all firearms, could be used by anyone except law enforcement and the military. Anyone using a firearm that holds more than one bullet or even owning a single bullet would be guilty of a Felony.
"If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights," said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton). "Reloading your own shotgun shells could send you to prison for 15-years."
Rather than ban firearms outright, Doyle and Baumgart ban all types of ammunition by defining the bullet as both a "destructive device" and an "explosive," the gunpowder as an "explosive" and even the tiny primer that ignites every bullet is specifically called a "detonator."
Owning, possessing or using any of these items would be a felony offense, unless the citizens could prove they were only for use in "firearms that are designed to shoot no more than one shot without manual reloading" (i.e. single shot firearms).
"Can you imagine a Wisconsin elected official outlawing the use every pump shotgun and labeling every duck hunter a terrorist?" asked Zien. "Maybe the Attorney General should concentrate on the real terrorists and leave law-abiding gun owners alone."
The bill even goes as far as allowing photographs of a person with banned material to be used as evidence of a crime.
" This will make the picture of a hunter with her Remington 870 and a trophy buck evidence of terrorist activity," said Zien.
In 1998, Wisconsin voters amended the state Constitution to protect the right of law-abiding citizens to posses and use firearms. Because the Constitution prevents Doyle from banning the gun, the only way he can deny hunters the use of their guns is to ban the ammunition.
"It is no wonder people are cynical about their government," said Zien, author of Wisconsin's Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
"When the attorney charged with upholding our Constitution deliberately tries to thwart that Constitution and deny the will of the people, it gives all public servants a bad name."
Information on the Attorney General¹s website describing the points of Doyle¹s "Anti-Terrorism Legislative Package" mentions nothing about the gun ban provisions. Zien noted the information distributed to legislators also mentioned nothing about the bans. Doyle can only propose the language to legislators. The legislative author (Baumgart) takes whatever he chooses from Doyle's draft and introduces his own bill. Baumgart likewise mentions nothing about the bans in his memo to legislators asking them to join as cosponsors of his bill.
TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
Contact your legislators now! Lets put an end to Baumgart and Doyles efforts now!
Can you say "Political Suicide"?
posted on 01/18/2002 1:00:36 PM PST
Let him try. One less person to worry about running for Governor this year. The voters of Wisconsin might be split Rep/Dem, but there's a big majority on gun issues.
By the way, where the hell did the idea for this bill come from??
posted on 01/18/2002 1:02:12 PM PST
by July 4th
Can you say "Political Suicide"?
Absolutely. What on earth are these peabrains thinking?
posted on 01/18/2002 1:03:10 PM PST
Speaking out for the "hunters" is right, of course. But it strikes me as just beating around the bush to avoid the real issue...
The Second Amendment was not intended to protect the rights of hunters and sportsmen, but to guarantee Citizens the means to protect their freedoms against government tyranny. We cannot assume that everyone understands this anymore; we must begin to speak plainly...
To: July 4th
Apparently from doyles owners.
This is perhaps the most overt act of treason against the United States and the Constitution as I have ever seen.
And it should be dealt with as such.
posted on 01/18/2002 1:10:01 PM PST
To: Always A Marine
The 2nd amendment no more exists to protect hunting than the 1st exists to protect playing Scrabble.
To: dan from michigan
It's comedy hour across the pond!
posted on 01/18/2002 1:13:00 PM PST
by Don Joe
To: Don Joe
Oh Man. Good ole Packerland.
Let them pass it and let the war begin now.
To: 007;80sReaganite;afraidfortherepublic;american_ranger;An American In Dairyland;angelo;Angus_Day...
You have been deemed a danger to the state. Report to the gulags, youre on cranberry bog duty for the next 15-20 years.
To: Blood of Tyrants
Its a good time. We should have that kind of "little flare up" taken care of by the time spring planting starts...
Doyle has been a moron and dolt since his Dane County District Attorney days, but he's outdone himself this time.
I don't care if this proposal vaporizes overnight, it should be mentioned up to and including election day and kept in the minds of citizens of Wisconsin who believe in the Constitution and the Second Amendment in particular.
We have to keep this socialist from becoming governor!
posted on 01/18/2002 1:50:57 PM PST
Oh, you were serious? This AIN'T an Onion article?
Your state Senator is nuts. Your state is so large and spread out it would be hard for law enforcement to protect. A terrorist attack would overtax most suburban police forces and leave the rest of the community unprotected and on their own. The 9/11 attack in NYC tied up 1/3 of its police force and emergency assets. I come from a built up state of New Jersey. Our largest suburban township is 16 square miles, population 36,000 but only 100 man police force. About half are staff and admin, leaving only 50 for line duties. They operate in 3 shifts plus one swing shift to cover shift changes. Approximately 12 officers are available during on patrol and represents the immediate reaction force. It doesn't take a genius to figure our that it doesn't take much for terrorists to overtax them. THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ARMED THE CITIZEN TO CHECK GOVERNMENT AGAINST TYRANNY, BUT THE CONSTITUTION ALSO ARMED THE CITIZEN SO THEY CAN HELP GOVERNMENT IN A TIME OF NEED. WE the gunowners need to remind the politicians of that point. We are not an obstacle to law and order, we are an asset.
posted on 01/18/2002 2:01:53 PM PST
THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ARMED THE CITIZEN TO CHECK GOVERNMENT AGAINST TYRANNY, BUT THE CONSTITUTION ALSO ARMED THE CITIZEN SO THEY CAN HELP GOVERNMENT IN A TIME OF NEED. WE the gunowners need to remind the politicians of that point. We are not an obstacle to law and order, we are an asset.
Truer words were never written. I commend you for being so succinct.
Doyle is a dolt. He will need to be constantly reminded of this proposal right up to election day. How he thinks this is going to gain him votes over Tom Barrett is beyond me.
posted on 01/18/2002 2:15:20 PM PST
posted on 01/18/2002 2:16:00 PM PST
And Jim Doyle thinks he has a chance to become governor. i hope he keeps makeing these stuip statements. Most of wis is not from the state of madison.
Thanks, gnarledmaw, for the heads-up . . .
We should drop the senator a note to express our opinions regarding this matter. I'm sure he'd love to hear from his FReeper constituents . . .
posted on 01/18/2002 2:47:09 PM PST
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posted on 01/18/2002 2:56:42 PM PST
In 1998, Wisconsin voters amended the state Constitution to protect the right of law-abiding citizens to posses and use firearms.
So, am I to infer from this sentence in the article that prior to 1998, the state Constitution did not include the right to keep and bear arms that is in the US Constitution? Do states have the right to deny their citizens any rights that are in the US Constitution? If a right enumerated and guaranteed in the US Constitution is not in a State Constutution, then a resident of that state doesn't have the same constitutional rights as US citizens in other states?
I simply am not clear on this concept.
posted on 01/18/2002 3:02:57 PM PST
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Good grief! Thanks for the heads up.
To: gnarledmaw, brewcrew
Ha Ha Ha Ha...
These idiots won't let up. They keep up the pressure, because they know if they do, eventually they progress their agenda in an incremental way. This BS is part of their attempt to counter favorable reception of the concealed carry bills. They're painting guns as tools of the terrorist. They're associating gun owners with terrorists in the minds of the left leaning voters. It's amazing to me that Doyle got elected at all. Him and the rest of the leftists did their best to prevent the RKBA amendment to the WI Constitution.
They're just rattling folks cages now. If they did get it passed, they'd all be tarred, feathered and set afloat on a chunk of ice in Lake Michigan, before it hit the papers in the rest of the country.
Where is Baumgart from?
posted on 01/18/2002 3:51:32 PM PST
Never underestimate the spin machine and the sheeples in Wisconsin . . I'll do my part and make some calls, write some letters.
Unreal!! What is wrong with this idiot? I can't believe people still think they can make us safer by taking away our guns.
posted on 01/18/2002 4:28:27 PM PST
To: July 4th
By the way, where the hell did the idea for this bill come from??
You've got the 'where' right in your question.
I need not remind you that Ayatollah General Doyle is a vicious fascist, which I know from personal experience.
His initial proposal also outlawed (CRIMINALLY) yelling imprecations at such heroes of the Communist Party as C. Chvala.
But this bill is not suicide--it is merely the first chapter. Fortunately, it will not get out of a trashbucket in the Assembly's committee--at least for now.
posted on 01/18/2002 5:24:33 PM PST
We are not an obstacle to law and order
Armed citizens are an obstacle to people like Doyle--and Schumer, Kennedy, Feinstein, et. al.
Just like the 12 Jews in the Warsaw ghetto who happened to have a S&W in their posession. Stopped the Nazis for 6+ weeks!!
posted on 01/18/2002 5:30:03 PM PST
He needs to be to the left of Barrett, who is a VERY smooth far-leftie but so far able to hide as a 'moderate.' Except for his vote regarding Clinton's impeachment, he does not seem to be a Party-apparatchik--and Doyle figures that he MUST nail down Madison and a part of Milwaukee to keep Barrett out of the race. Ergo, Doyle goes as far to the left as possible.
posted on 01/18/2002 5:33:02 PM PST
The State could not forbid possesion against the 2nd Amendment--however, the State's amendment includes the phrase 'for any legal purpose,' which makes it clear that the 2nd Amendment is not for duckhunters (as Schumer & Co. would have you believe.)
posted on 01/18/2002 5:42:01 PM PST
Bump- if we don't get to work now Doyle could be Wisconsin's next governor.
posted on 01/18/2002 6:08:21 PM PST
Today is a good day to die. Or better yet, make the enemy die instead.
To: Blood of Tyrants
Exactly what are you suggesting?
To: Principle Over Politics
Only that I am sick of the way our rights are taken away one tiny step at a time. Maybe if this law was passed the sheeple would finally wake up and throw off the chains.
But of course this won't pass because even the most stupid anti-gunner realizes that this would destroy them once and for all.
This is a set up so that the anti-gunners can appear to be "pro-gun" when they reject it.
YGBSM Is this for real ????? Its not an Onion type piece is it ??
1. Is the Fix in.
2. Get all the details.
3. Start the Recall now.
4. Make posters & flyers up and put them everywhere.
Is a state that sends 600000+ people into the deer woods and out of the 350-400 mega people in WI with 90 % armed what are they thinking ?? ( see item #1)
Will give Dave Z a call Mon.
How about Dave Zien for Gov. ( and who would we get to replace him if he won ? )
thanks for the clarification. California also does not have a right to keep and bear arms in its constitution. I don't have the details, but there was an appeal on case that went to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The court ruled that the 2nd amendment only stayed the Federal hand. WHAT?!! That's what has me absolutely baffled. I'll have to look it up for any further details.
posted on 01/19/2002 7:16:36 AM PST
My response to the governor:
No more purchases of any kind of product from Wisconsin; no more chain saws; no more lawn care products; no tractors; no trailers; no aluminum products; etc. No traveling to nor through Wisconsin.
Gee how I am going to not like surrendering my Milwaukee tools, drill, SawZall, etc.
posted on 03/06/2002 12:44:11 PM PST
Wisconsin Voter reminder
Watch out that this little "gem" does not end up resurrected! With recent developments I (we) cannot trust Doyle for ANYTHING!
posted on 08/13/2003 5:03:03 AM PDT
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