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WCCA legislative alert: Doyle's anti-terrorism bill bans guns
Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association ^ | January 17, 2002 | WCCA

Posted on 01/18/2002 12:52:46 PM PST by gnarledmaw

January 17, 2002
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
For more information, contact: senator Dave Zien, (608) 266-7511

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
Pump Shotguns and Most Other Firearms Banned

Virtually every gun used to hunt in Wisconsin would be illegal to use under a bill authored by Senator Jim Baumgart at the request Attorney General Jim Doyle.

The supposed terrorism legislation would outlaw the use of any pump, lever or bolt action rifle or shotgun as well as any revolver or semi-automatic firearm for hunting, self-defense or target practice. In fact, only single-shot firearms, less than one-percent of all firearms, could be used by anyone except law enforcement and the military. Anyone using a firearm that holds more than one bullet or even owning a single bullet would be guilty of a Felony.

"If Baumgart and Doyle get their way, every hunter in Wisconsin would be an instant criminal, facing prison and a lifetime loss of voting rights," said state Senator Dave Zien (R-Wheaton). "Reloading your own shotgun shells could send you to prison for 15-years."

Rather than ban firearms outright, Doyle and Baumgart ban all types of ammunition by defining the bullet as both a "destructive device" and an "explosive," the gunpowder as an "explosive" and even the tiny primer that ignites every bullet is specifically called a "detonator."

Owning, possessing or using any of these items would be a felony offense, unless the citizens could prove they were only for use in "firearms that are designed to shoot no more than one shot without manual reloading" (i.e. single shot firearms).

"Can you imagine a Wisconsin elected official outlawing the use every pump shotgun and labeling every duck hunter a terrorist?" asked Zien. "Maybe the Attorney General should concentrate on the real terrorists and leave law-abiding gun owners alone."

The bill even goes as far as allowing photographs of a person with banned material to be used as evidence of a crime.

" This will make the picture of a hunter with her Remington 870 and a trophy buck evidence of terrorist activity," said Zien.

In 1998, Wisconsin voters amended the state Constitution to protect the right of law-abiding citizens to posses and use firearms. Because the Constitution prevents Doyle from banning the gun, the only way he can deny hunters the use of their guns is to ban the ammunition.

"It is no wonder people are cynical about their government," said Zien, author of Wisconsin's Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

"When the attorney charged with upholding our Constitution deliberately tries to thwart that Constitution and deny the will of the people, it gives all public servants a bad name."

Information on the Attorney General¹s website describing the points of Doyle¹s "Anti-Terrorism Legislative Package" mentions nothing about the gun ban provisions. Zien noted the information distributed to legislators also mentioned nothing about the bans. Doyle can only propose the language to legislators. The legislative author (Baumgart) takes whatever he chooses from Doyle's draft and introduces his own bill. Baumgart likewise mentions nothing about the bans in his memo to legislators asking them to join as cosponsors of his bill.


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Contact your legislators now! Lets put an end to Baumgart and Doyles efforts now!
1 posted on 01/18/2002 12:52:46 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: bang_list
bang!
2 posted on 01/18/2002 12:53:07 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Can you say "Political Suicide"?
3 posted on 01/18/2002 12:57:53 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: gnarledmaw
Bump
4 posted on 01/18/2002 1:00:36 PM PST by cpprfld
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To: gnarledmaw
Let him try. One less person to worry about running for Governor this year. The voters of Wisconsin might be split Rep/Dem, but there's a big majority on gun issues.

By the way, where the hell did the idea for this bill come from??
5 posted on 01/18/2002 1:02:12 PM PST by July 4th
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To: chuknospam
Can you say "Political Suicide"?

Absolutely. What on earth are these peabrains thinking?

6 posted on 01/18/2002 1:03:10 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: gnarledmaw
Speaking out for the "hunters" is right, of course. But it strikes me as just beating around the bush to avoid the real issue...

The Second Amendment was not intended to protect the rights of hunters and sportsmen, but to guarantee Citizens the means to protect their freedoms against government tyranny. We cannot assume that everyone understands this anymore; we must begin to speak plainly...

7 posted on 01/18/2002 1:03:35 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: July 4th
Apparently from doyles owners.




8 posted on 01/18/2002 1:09:36 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
This is perhaps the most overt act of treason against the United States and the Constitution as I have ever seen.

And it should be dealt with as such.

9 posted on 01/18/2002 1:10:01 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Always A Marine
The 2nd amendment no more exists to protect hunting than the 1st exists to protect playing Scrabble.
10 posted on 01/18/2002 1:11:09 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: dan from michigan
It's comedy hour across the pond!
11 posted on 01/18/2002 1:13:00 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Oh Man. Good ole Packerland.
12 posted on 01/18/2002 1:24:35 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: gnarledmaw
Let them pass it and let the war begin now.
13 posted on 01/18/2002 1:27:28 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: 007;80sReaganite;afraidfortherepublic;american_ranger;An American In Dairyland;angelo;Angus_Day...
You have been deemed a danger to the state. Report to the gulags, youre on cranberry bog duty for the next 15-20 years.
14 posted on 01/18/2002 1:30:10 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Its a good time. We should have that kind of "little flare up" taken care of by the time spring planting starts...
15 posted on 01/18/2002 1:32:28 PM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Doyle has been a moron and dolt since his Dane County District Attorney days, but he's outdone himself this time.

I don't care if this proposal vaporizes overnight, it should be mentioned up to and including election day and kept in the minds of citizens of Wisconsin who believe in the Constitution and the Second Amendment in particular.

We have to keep this socialist from becoming governor!

16 posted on 01/18/2002 1:50:57 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: gnarledmaw
LOL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, you were serious? This AIN'T an Onion article?

17 posted on 01/18/2002 1:54:11 PM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: gnarledmaw
Your state Senator is nuts. Your state is so large and spread out it would be hard for law enforcement to protect. A terrorist attack would overtax most suburban police forces and leave the rest of the community unprotected and on their own. The 9/11 attack in NYC tied up 1/3 of its police force and emergency assets. I come from a built up state of New Jersey. Our largest suburban township is 16 square miles, population 36,000 but only 100 man police force. About half are staff and admin, leaving only 50 for line duties. They operate in 3 shifts plus one swing shift to cover shift changes. Approximately 12 officers are available during on patrol and represents the immediate reaction force. It doesn't take a genius to figure our that it doesn't take much for terrorists to overtax them. THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ARMED THE CITIZEN TO CHECK GOVERNMENT AGAINST TYRANNY, BUT THE CONSTITUTION ALSO ARMED THE CITIZEN SO THEY CAN HELP GOVERNMENT IN A TIME OF NEED. WE the gunowners need to remind the politicians of that point. We are not an obstacle to law and order, we are an asset.
18 posted on 01/18/2002 2:01:53 PM PST by Fee
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To: Fee
THE CONSTITUTION MAY HAVE ARMED THE CITIZEN TO CHECK GOVERNMENT AGAINST TYRANNY, BUT THE CONSTITUTION ALSO ARMED THE CITIZEN SO THEY CAN HELP GOVERNMENT IN A TIME OF NEED. WE the gunowners need to remind the politicians of that point. We are not an obstacle to law and order, we are an asset.

Truer words were never written. I commend you for being so succinct.

Doyle is a dolt. He will need to be constantly reminded of this proposal right up to election day. How he thinks this is going to gain him votes over Tom Barrett is beyond me.

19 posted on 01/18/2002 2:15:20 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: spunkets
Ping.
20 posted on 01/18/2002 2:16:00 PM PST by brewcrew
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