Israeli Cities Ordered to Ready Bomb Shelters

Ha'aretz Daily ^ | 2/8/2002 | Mazal Mualem

[snowfox]

same values...religious freedom and independence for each and every one of our citizens.

In a way, you right. They are already the socialistic country that we are becoming. But free and religiously tolerant? Don't make me laugh. You can't even get into office unless you are jew, you are taxed at levels that we soon will be, and you serve in the military whether you like it or not. They are like us? Riiiight. Pull the other one, its got bells on. Our "friendship" is entirely one way, and they are nothing like us. We may be bound to them whether we like it or not, but don't feed me this tripe. Their supposed "freedom" and "independence" is a lie, especially when they are entirely dependent on us.

[Pagey]

To wipe out Baghdad, all they have to do is Bomb the Dam up the Tigris River,which just happens to run right through downtown Baghdad.It's what James A. Baker considered in the Gulf War,had the Maddass ( A little Sinatra quote" His name backwards is Maddass)used Chemical weapons on U.S. Troops.He stated as such,on Larry " I'm such a bore,but I'm wealthy" King Live in 1992 or 1993.

[contessa machiaveli]

yes, you are correct. i apologize to you. i was wrong.

[archy]

Its about time they got down to business... Us too!

Looks like you may get your wish.

Just leave your possessions in your home; you won't be needing them in the Camps.

-archy-/-

[zog]

--thanks for the great links! zooba!

anyway, I'm saddened and amazed at the amount of folks who want world war three to start. uh-mazed. I hope they get their blood lust wish, and the first biocootie spread goes up their nose, and they get to watch their family melt from radiation. rah rah rah, the world war three football game. Someday people will realise that modern warfare won't always be restricted to video images from overseas at the pentagon briefings, it'll be in their face with the screams coming from their own throats.

[EODGUY]

I was thinking exactly the same thing.....especially when the "N" word is being used.

God Bless us all

EODGUY

[El Gato]

Will someone please explain the logic in this? If we bomb Irac shouldn't they in return try to strike us?

You expect logic out of Sadamm Hussein? Actually there is some logic. First of all, he did it the last time we bombed his military. Second, the reason he did it was to try to rally the rest of the Muslim world to his aide. Didn't work too well last time, might work better this time, who knows?

This time he might have a better chance of convincing others, including some Europeans, that he is just standing up to the Jew/American alliance which is oppressing the Palistinian people.

[El Gato]

Or would he instead just aim a Scud or two?

And how are the Isaeliis supposed to tell what is on the top of that inbound Scud, or even that it is a Scud rather than something with a bit more Ooompf. (The latter is technically possible if you see the early part of the launch trajectory with a suitable sensor.)

[El Gato]

that they fired their SCUD's at the only target they could hit....Israel

Not quite, they also fired a bunch at Saudi Arabia and other Gulf coutries with American bases. Ask a bunch of widows, widowers, and bereved parents and children in Pennsylvania. (A PA reserve forces unit took particularly heavy hit on the building they were using as a barracks.)

[El Gato]

Lebanon has been a God forsaken haven for the worst of the worst

Not always, even when Ike sent the Marines there in the 50s, it wasn't really all that bad. Until the PLO and our buddy Yassar A. moved in after being kicked out of Jordan by King Hussein (and the Arab Legion of course :) ) Then the place really went to hell in a handbasket. Israelies kicked the A man out of there, and could (and IMHO should) have killed him and his Fatahistas.

[El Gato]

Saddam hide in Saudi Arabia? You haven't followed ME politics for the past 50 years

With enough money, many things are possible. Still I would agree that Syria or even Iran would be more likely. Lebanon would be another possibility and the thought of Sadamm freezing his cojones off in a tent in the Bekka valley warms the cockles of my heart.

[backhoe]

Yes, I grew up then, too- it was a weird time! Recall the planes flying away from Glynco NAS during the Cuban missile crisis....

[eastforker]

First let me say I want to respectfult answer your post #65.No one wants WWIII,however,that may be the only way to rid ourselves of fundamentalist Islamic Jihad.Do not kid yourself,it is not going to go away by itself,it will have to be crushed or we will be subject to terrorism for ever.Now,another question,would you rather have battle over there or would you prefer we have it here.I would prefer it being over there as one thing is for sure it is inevitable.Now,what type of solution do YOU have to end terrorism in the world,if we could do it without violence tell me what we should do.

[Brad’s Gramma]

That's what I'd do.

I sure do wish it WAS up to you!

[Khepera]

What camps you talking about awchy

[zog]

short answer, stop funding anyone in the middle east, stop doing business with them. Full total complete economic embargo, cut em off. You don't get street gangs to stop fighting by doing business with them, and selling them weapons. that's stuypid in the neighborhood, it's triply lame with nations acting like gangs, and who own or are devloping nukes and worse than nukes. Stop shipping advanced armaments to the middle east. Stop the technology transfer, arrest anyone taking so much as a bullet out of the country to give to someone else in a foreign country, end the arms buildups. Cease and desist with the blood profits by the international pirates masquerading as 'patriots". Stop being dependent on oil from there. Start from a clean slate. Invite every ambassador from every country over there, into a closed door room, tell em enough's enough, they all stop fighting or they go broke, instantly, party is over,their entire wealth (that we can get our hands on in banks) will be seized electronically, and have the means to do that in ADVANCE of the meeting. Work from that point, cut off the hundreds of billions a year gravy train to each country over there in that nutcase region. Set the navy to start sinking ships that try to break the embargo, apply it across the board. Kinda hard to fight for long when you are BROKE and no spare parts coming in and no satellite intel and no food shipments in and all your people are kicked out of everyplace where they aren't welcome, can't go anyplace else, and make NO exceptions, none.

they just might want to sit down and talk realistically then. half assed embargoes and picking sides and propping up this dictaor or that dictator and then switching sides every 5 years don't work, and supporting the creation of perpetual indian reservations in israel palestimne hasn't worked either, giving hundreds of billions to saudi arabia hasn't worked, none of the stuff they are doing has worked, so WHY trust the same guys in charge doing the same thing for decades? What's happened in afghanistan, we bombed the snot outta abunch goatherders, now they are back to squabbling with themsleves again. We arrested and detained the same goatherders our cia and saudi arabia funded and built up. Wazzup with that noise, anyway, we are supposed to forget that?

Second, use the credible smoking gun evidence we have of the advanced stock market puts orders that were placed prior to 9-11. Follow that economic chain to the highest levels, and don't stop when it gets beyond 'semitic" looking people or "islamics". That story has been SPIKED. it was spiked because it goes right to western white guys. End terrorism by going to the TOP, where the funding and orders come from.

Third, be3 big enough to realise all peoples need a real nation, the jews need their own nation, the pals need a nation, with real borders, no indian apartheid reservations. those people will never, ever, ever get along, so there needs to be two distinct countries. Now be big enough to realise that saddam hussein got invited to invade kuwauit, that the kuwaitis were slant drilling UNDER the border into iraq, that george bush senior gave them the go ahead via his ambassador to kuwait at the time, and then double crossed when he invaded. We are supposed to forget that? Saddam is a nutjob, he's crazy, but he also tried for two years to get international resolution of the kuwaiti thievery going on, and was also in business with the texas oil men, and hillary too for that matter. We supplied him with weapons, NBVC precursor material. we are sup[posed to forget that, like it never happened? on and on and on, this enforced mass alzheimers is weird, we are always supposed to conveniently 'forget' relatively recent past history. Same with osama, the bin laden family. No, no linkages with white guys there, uh huh, ya, sure there aren't.

We ask (ridicule them really) the democrats to put two and two together, to just LOOK at the linkages with weird happenings, crimes, political figures. When they don't, we make fun of them, because they deserve it, blinded by some sort of weird party loyalty that's actually disgusting. Well, it's not so much to ask that republicans do it to. There's TONS of dang linkages. It goes way back, crosse party lines. This war and the 9-11 attack STINK of high level collusion and mass fake out-ery. All KINZA folks were 'warned' about this in government and went way out of their way to ignore it and make honest fedcops back down and not look. Now ask yourself WHY? Why exactly were these warnings ignored???? Who's profitng from this, what's happening in the nation and the world? See anything "suspicious' happening?

The first wtc tower attack in 93 had a fed agent inside the cell that pulled off the bombing, and they admit this! They admit it! It still went off! WHY? OKC murrah building, again, our own okc submariner and other freepers have uncovered a LOT about involvement and prior knowledge, and it's COVERED UP, now, today, not clinton years anymore, it's TODAY it's being covered up. iraqis, gulf war iraqis brought in, protected, who was pres then, what was going on, then the blast, same deal, more coverups, high level people in both parties involved, ask yourself WHY?

I refuse to be lead around the nose and be told when to cheerlead or where to stop looking.ESPECIALLY by the government. If the government doesn't want you to look, you for dang sure should look there, because that's where the crime is.

I've seen this government lie about a president being killed, and pull it off, lie about navy ships attacked in the tonkin gulf, getting us into a pick the scab forever no win war, then lie about what chemical spraying does and don't do to grunts when they get sprayed, then lie about the pows and mias, and years later it don't matter, you need to be able to see the lies when they happen.

I can't explain it better than that. Me, you and everyone is being lied to. It's being done by some high level factions even above the president of the US. Internatuional factions who use the peon nutcase el jihaders as pawns, who use the citizens in saudi and israel and egypt and iraq as pawns, who use the US people as pawns. WAR is PROFITABLE. War-for unimaginable sums of money and caesar like power, pure greed. It's demonic, best description I have.

This situation is dangerous, there are lies of an order of magnitude being promoted that are astronomical in size, and hideous in nature. There are trillions of dollars involved, untold trillions, and control over vast areas of the planet earth, very important and lucrative areas, and control over those people in those areas.

Yep, there's some nutcase el jihaders involved, I have absolutely no doubt of that whatsoever, none, but those aren't the only people, and they aren't the top dogs, either.

Stop terroism and stop war by stopping the arms race all over the planet. Stop funding wars and looking the other way when 'golly gee, a war broke out' after shipping thousands of tanks and missiles and jet planes and helocopters into the region. Of course there's gonna be wars then, that stuff gets used, and huge profits get made. then that stuff gets used up, then more gets made, then more profits, then someone new gets to own someone else's stuff, that's what happens in wars, ownership of things changes hands. What's the most important thing on the planet earth today? Hint, black stuff, comes outta the ground. Everything else comes from using that black stuff. Everything gets made and produced, trace it back top black stuff out of the ground.

This is isimplistic, but asking for an entire solution to the middle east in a single post demands it. the gist of it is, think for yourself, don't let the government or anyone elses government think for you, look at the data going back, don't stop at some point and fail to see the data beyond that point. Look at what's happened in past wars, what they were really about, the ones we can read about now. apply that thinking to the here and now and it gets easier to see what's going on.

Please forgive the typos, I don't feel like fixing them right now. These "nuke everyone" threads get to me sometimes..

[mindprism.com]

"My soul is prepared to die. How's youre?"...

American Jihadism = Islamic Jihadism minus the virgins.

Millennialism/apocolysm/Eschatology in practice is debilitating, defeatist and nihilistic.

[Dallas]

Re#46

I guess Iran would be the wildcard---

I think Israel's biggest threat will be fanatics slithering in from Lebanon with biological/chemical weapons.

[eastforker]

That was a good rant,I do that myself every now and then. I never insinuated that we should nuke everyone.On the contrary,but you mentioned something about wiping the slate clean I believe.Yes,we do indeed need to wipe the slate and change our foreign policy after we clean the slate of Islamic fundamentalist.The fact remains, we either do it over there or in five years do it here,whats your choice.